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·RAILWAY CONFERENCE, 1903. Proceedings of the Conference of Railway Delegates assembled at Simla on Monday, the 26th October 1963. Monday, the 26th Octobe 903, 11 am The following there present:- PRESIDENT: Director of Railway Traffic. COL. G. F. Tilson, R.E. SEORETARY: Ojg. Under Secretary, Railway Traffic. A. R. JACOBSON, Esq. . . . R.E. • DELEGATES: Assam Bengal railway R. S. STRACCET, Eeq. Agent Bengal and North-Festern raila E. A, NEVILLE, Esq. • Acting Agent. zoay. Bengal Central railway** E. A, NEVILLE, Esq Acting Agent, Bengal and North-Western Tailwoy. Bengal-Nagpur railway C. BECKETT, Esq. Acling Agent and Chief Engineer. Bombay, Baroda and Central V. HARVEY, Esq. Acting Ayent. Indsa railway Burma railways Capt, W. A. S. KINCAID, Agent. Calcutta Port Commissioners' mail. V. A. DRING, Esq. A Port Commissioner Eustern Bengal State railway* H. P. BURT, Esq. Manager, Oudh and Ron hulkhand railway East Indian railwry J. DOUOLAS, Esq. Agent. Great Indian Peninsula railway : F. T. RICKARDS, Esq. Deputy Agenl. Jodhpur-Bikaner railway W. Hove, Esq. Nanager. Madras ruilway E, W. STOYBY, Esq. Acting Agent and Ifa. nager. Nizam's Guaranteed State rail. W. PendleDORY, Esq. Agent and Ilanager. cay. North Western railcay S. FINNEY, Esq. Manager. Oudh and Rohilkhand railway H. P. BURT, Egq. Alanager. Rohilkund and Kumaon railway. J. ROBB, Esq. Acting Agent and, Chief Engineer Southern Mahratla railway LT.-COL. J. BURN MUR Agent. South Indian railway MAJOR A. D. G. SPELLET, Agent. R.E. cay . . . . . DOCE, R.E. . The following officers also attended the meeting Bengal and North-Western rail. J. VALKER, Esq. Traffic Manager. way. - A. M. CLARK, Esq. . Acting Traffic Manager.' Bombay, Baroda and Central C.A. R. COXNELIS, Esq. General Trafic Manager. India rarlray. Great Indian Pensuula razlway. A, C. RUUBOLL, Esq, Acting General Traffic Manager. Dadra ratlway D. Ross-JOINOX, Esq. Trafic Vanager. North Western railway Bt. Ir. Col. C. H. COwie, Deputy Manager, RE. C. J. KEESE, Esq., C. I. E. 09. Trafic Superinten. dent. Oudh and Rohilkhand railway A. V. V. POPE, Esq, Traffic Superintendent, Southern Mahratta railway. 1.B WRIGHT, Esq. Traffic Manager. South Indian railway. T. J. McClotGAIS, Esq. Aeling Trafic Manager. . * F&de Aprendit YIL ·2 . The President, in opening the proccedings, spoke as follows: GENTLEMEN, The present mocting has been convened in response to my Conference letter* No. 61, dated the 2nd September * Appeudix I. 1903, for the twofold purpose of giving me the opportunity of laying down the reins of oMice and enabling you to undertake the duty of inaugurating the nety INDIAN RAILWAY CONFERENCE ASSOCIATION, which is about to tako tlic place of the old Railway Trallic Conference, and to appoint a President and a Sccretary in connection there. with. 2. It is not proposed to ask you at this meeting to discuss any other ques. tions than the above, with the exception of one small matter-"The encouragoment of the study of Indian railiray problems," which, at the request of the Sccretary to Gorernment, has been placed on the agenda with a view to cliciting an expression of your opinion as to whether there would be any advantage in establishing amongst the superior staff of the railways in this country, cither collectively or individually, a competition tappendix II. similar to thatt institutod on the Great Northern railway at. IIomo in orier to cncourage a study of the various railway problems which are constantly presenting themselves. 3. Although the business to bo transacted at this mccting is to be confined to merely the formation of the new Association, and the viow's licid by Gorern. ment of the proper functions of this newly formed body are contained in my Conference letter No. 01, still there are one or two points not brought forward in that letter regarding which, with your permissiou, I should like to say something 4. I liare had a statementt prepared sherring in justaposition, (i) the proposals as accepted by the 1902 Con- I Appendix III. fcrence, (ii) the proposals which were made by the President in submitting to Government the proceedings of the Conference of 1902 for the formation of a permanent conference independent of Governient, with a paid Secretary and a President elected by yourselves, and (iii) the proposals as revised and finally accepted by the London Boards of the Indian railway companies. You will remember that I suggested at the 1902 Conſorence- " the advisnbility of the Boards of all the Indian railways in London holding a small conference amongst themselves to decide what suggestions, if any, tliey should make as a body in regard to the proceedings of this (the 1902) Conference, and thus obriate the difficulties that would arise from each Board having possibly a few remarks to make about points of minor importance thich would make it difficult bercaſter to coinc to any unanimous settlement out here." Tlic suggestion was adopted and the revised proposals of the London Boards are given in column 3 of the statement, besides forming an enclosure to Railway Conference Memorandum No. 62 of the 2nd September last. What I wish to confine my remarks to noir are the main points of difference between the proposals as framed by the 1902 Conference and as accepted by the Boards. 5. The first point to notice is that, while tlie delegates attending the 1902 Conference proposed that the new “ Association” (as the London Boards bave decided to call it) should be empowered to consider all questions including questions of through rates and fares, referred to it by Government, railways parties to the Association, or public bodies, the London Boards propose thatmonly Members of the Association may submit for consideration proposals relating :o rates and fares but that opinion of the Association which shall be recorded, and any regulation made, shall become operative on such a proposal only so far as it shall be agreed to by the representatives of those railways to which it would apply." So far as Government is concerned it is suggested that the Association may consider at their instance questions of railway inanagement affecting the mutual relations betrveen the railways themselves, and also between the railways -and the Government, such questions not involving matters falling it bin the provisions of their respective contracts with the Secretary of State. It will thus be observed that while the Boards exclude the submission by Government for the opinion of the Association questions of specific through * ·3 rates and fares, they apparently ara prepared to admit zuch questious as masima and minima rates. is loped that the Agents of railway y to in pressing on their Boards o matters admissible for consideration all references by Government rezarding questions involving rates which have gederal applicability and of the teodering of advice by the Association. 6. There is another point, and it is a very important obe, to which I wisu to draw your attention. I refer to the remarks made in paragraph 3 of my Conferenco letter No. 61. You have to determine whether your perly constituted Conference Association is to remain a purely traffic conference, as it has been in the past, or is to bave the scope of its duties extended in the direction suggested in paragraph 3, so as to become not only a mere committee for the purpose of framing rules and regulations for the conduct of traffic, but a real consultative committee to which Government, as well as railways themselres, could submit all manner of questions relating to railway administration for opinion aud advice. In other words you liave to consider whether you will give effect to the decision you came to unanimously at the Conference of 1902 as expressed in Resolution No. 10. ?lis las to be, an is, done now to each railway individually through the several Consulting Engineers or through one of the Government Directors, but only at the expenditure of much time and labour, and surely it would be much more satisfactory for all parties, railway administrations themselves as well as Government, and would greatly tend to the more prompt despatch of business, to be able to submit these questions to the whole body of railway representatives collectively, trbose joint opinion would be submitted to Government instead of as now individually. I do not wish to dictate to you tbe manner in which technical questions relating to different departments should be dealt with. It would be for you to decide whether separate sub.committees of Engineers, Locomotive, and Traltic Ollicers should be formed, or whether they sliould ratber be mixed subcommittees, side paragraph 5 of Colonel ask is that you should consider and weigh ite your attention to the opening -:1 2. Ann 1.3.A. - If the Indian Railway Conference Association is to do nothing more than take the place of the old Railway Trafic Conference, its powers have been so limited by the Boards to deal with tradic matters that the mere recording of the proceedings is all that need be provided for, and neither the President mor Secretary Deed be a man of exceptional expert knowledge. 7 and a person in whom everyone wil} have the tullest conddence. His quty will be not only to prepare the cases referred to the Association and to collect opinions and report decisions, but to constantly look after the interests of Indian railways generally, to endeavour to get all disabilities removed, whether they aro caused by the action of Government or local bodies, the lawr courts, wupi. cipalities, etc., and so make the Association a power that cannot be ignored. 7. It only remains for me to formally resign my position of er-officio President of your late Trafic Conference, which 1 do with extreme regret as it has always been a pleasure to wo during the two years I have been your President to associate myself with you. I ask you not to elect a Chairman and a Secretary to conduct the proceed. ings of your present conference.

·4 S. Gentlemen, you have all had an opportunity of reading the main portion of my addross, so I suppose I may take as read such portion as bas been in your bands. (No dissent). 9. I have only a feir additional romarks to make, mainly to draw your special attention to paragraphs 5 and 6 of that addross. As regards the question of including tlirough rates and fares among the matters which may be submitted to the nowy Association for advice by Goveromcnt-(I may hero mention that the term “Government” would include the ner Railway Board, sliould the results of Mr. Robertson's Report be to call such a Board into existe ence)-I would ask you to read again the remarks tliat I made in my opening address at the Conference of 1902, especially in paragraph 10 (c) of that address. I must say that I fail to see lion it could be anything but an advantage to you, to your Boards and to Government that the advice of the net Association should be sought on all questions of changes of tlırough rates or fares which affect the interests of your lincs colloctively, I sincerely hopo you will be able to soe your tas to recommending to your Boards a reconsideration of their proposals on this point. 10. As regards paragraph 6 of my address, the question raised is a very important one. The appointmont of a permanent Secretary and the salary that he would draw would depend entirely upon the decision you come to thereon. In fact, the point is this, you bare to decide whether you will remain merely a Traffic Conforence as liitherto or victher you will be prerared to accept the oxtended rólo that Gorornment are anxious to confer upon you and become an Association of real importance; a consultative body Those joint opinion would carry such reight that it would be difficult, or almost impossible, to resist it. I may say that this would have still greator force from the point of view of the nor Board, if it ever comes into existencc; for if the new Board is crcated the probability is that one or two members may be recruited altogether from outside India. Thiey will therefore come to this country absolutely ignorant of India, of the methods of Indian Railway Administration and of the economic conditions of the country, and I am quite sure that they themselves would be only too pleased to have such an Association available at band to whom they might apply for advice and assistance, at any rate, during the first few years of their existence. ll. In my conference letter No. 61, paragraphı 4, I sketched out the * Appendix I. nature of tho questions which Government were desirous should be put before the new Association for opinion. To this I may add ono more, a case which I have before me, i. c., the introduction of some systein of Automatic Coupling. This is a question which must crop up in the near future, since the introduction of more powerful engines and heavier train loads will necessitate a reconsideration of the standard type of screw coupling. There is in the Bule letin of the Indian Railway Congress for August 1903 a description of such a coupling, and if any gentleman irishes to see it I shall be glad to show him the paper. This is a fitting question for your new Association to take up and deal with, should you decide to absorb into your body the present Committee of Locomotiro Superintendents. 12. Gentlemen, I have no further remarks to make except to formally lay down my Presidentship of the old Traflic Conference and to ask you to elect a Chairman and a Secretary to conduct your present proceedings. Mr. J. Douglas, in proposing a vote of thanks to the retiring President, spoke as follows:-- GENTLEMEN, I am afraid our first duty is not altogether a pleasant one, -I mean taking leave of our old President, Colonel Wilson. The proposal for a permanent conference independent of Government has emanated from himself so that in regard to this leave-taking we have, I think, rather a grievance against him.

·5 During the time that we have attended past conferences I think you will all admit that Colonel Wilson has led us with ability, patience and courtesy. I would ask you to place our deep sense of this on record I would therefore formally propose that we recognise in this manner the ability, tact, patience and courtesy with which Colonel Wilson has presided orer the Conference during the time he has been associated with it. Dir. W. Pendlebury in seconding the above resolution said :- I bave great pleasure in seconding this resolution. I am sure that we are all very much indebted to Colonel ilson for his kind courtesy and assistance during the period he has presided over our meetings, and I only hope that whoever is elected as the new President will exercise the same patience and tact which he has displayed when we have had little controversies on various matters, I do not think in secooding the resolution that I can say more than Mr. Douglas Las expressed. The President, in replying to the vote of thanks, spoke as follows:- I rise to thank you heartily for the exceedingly kind way in which Mr. Douglas has proposed his resolution which Mr. Pendlebury has seconded, and for the terms which have been used with reference to my conduct of affairs as your late President. It has always been to me an extreme pleasure, and I may say pride, to have been associates with the representatives of the railways which form this great Indian railway system, I may add when I mention this great Indian system that, Jr Robertson notwithstanding, the Indian system, judged by results, is second only to one and that is the German system, and Mr. Robertson bimself tells us that it is by our results that we are to be judged, The meeting then terminated.

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·. 7 APPENDIX I. No. 61, dated Sımla, the 2nd September 1903. From--Coloxel G. F. TVILSOX, RE, President, Railway Conference, Tc-The Agents, East Indian, Great Indian Peninsula, Bombay, Baroda and Centra lodii, Bengal and North-Western, Southern Mabratta, South Indian, Awam-Bengal and Borma railways; the agents and Chief Engineers, Bengal-Nagpar, Bengal Central, and Robilkund and Kumaon railways; the Agents and Managers, Madras and the Nizam's Guaranteed State railways; the Managers, North Western, Oudh aod Rohilkhand, Eastern Bengal, Jodhpur-Bikaner and Udaipor-Chitor railways; the Manager and Engineer in-Chief, Bhavanagar-Gundal-Jubsgad-Porbandar railway; the Secretary, Calcutta Port Commissioners' railway. In continuation of telegram No. 48, date i the 2nd September 1903, (TO Vedras railway only.) from the Secretary, Railway Conference, I have the honour to inform you that rail. way adainistrations have agreed to the meeting being held at Simla, and, otring to the inability of some administrations to attend about the middle of the mouth, Monday, the 26th October 1903, has been fixed for the first day. The meeting will be held in the office of the Public Works Department Secretariat and open daily at 11 a . 2. As stated in the Secretary's telegram No. 52, dated the 17th August 1903, the business to be transacted will be the formation of the Indian Railway Conference Association, and the election of a President and a Secretary. It will be observed from the rules adopted by the Boards of Directors of the several railway companies that the Association will have three entirely distinct functions, viz. :- (a) to frame by general agreement regulations for the management of traffic; () to consider questions submitted for opinion by the Government of India or any member of the Association; (c) to act as a Board of conciliation between members of the Association; and it will be for the meeting to decide how these duties are to be performed. 3. As regards (a), the draft rules in question define the duties and the powers of the Association, and they appear to be adequate for the present; but (0) and (c) williequire further consideration. In respect to the former it is considered that the Association should endeavour to exercise the same functions and responsibilities in respect to railtrays as the Chambers of Commerce do to commerce, and that it should be prepared to advise the Government of India and, if desired, its oro members also, on all questions affecting railway trorking which may be referred to it. For this purposo it seems essential for the Association to be so organized as to have separate sub-committees composed of experts in each department of the railway, viz., Audit, Engineering, Locomotive and Traffic Questions which are not referred to the present Locomotive Committee rould be dealt rith by the Locomotive Sub-Committee of the Association. Similarly, questions relating to other Departments rould be considered by the sub-committee in. terested. 4. Among the questions which are not pending, and which in due course will be placed before the Association, are (i) the introduction of large-capacity stock; (11) the standardisation of locomotives; (iii) the establishment of a central clearing house; (iv) the revision of the General Rules for working railways.

·? Appendix I. S Such questions vould necessarily be considered at joint meetings by each of the sub-committees interested. 5. If it is decided to work the Association on these lines, the selection of a paid Secretary will require much greater consideration than if there is to be little more than an annual Trallic Conference. Since without applicants for the post it will be difficult to select a Secretary, I would suggest that the appointment be made known to the staff under your orders, and that any applioations received by you may be brought up for consideration at the coming meeting. 6. I shall be glad to receive the name (s) of the delegate (s) who will represent your railway at the conference. No. 62, dated 2nd September 1903. Endorsed by the Secretary to the Railway Conference. Copy, with a copy of the telegrams referred to and of the rules of the proposed Indian Railway Conference Association agreed to by the Home Boards of the several Indian railway companies, is forwarded, for information, to the Agent and General Manager, Dibru.Sadiya railway; the General Manager and Chief Engineer, Darjeeling-Himalayan railway; the Manager and Esecutive Engineer, Morvi railway; the Manager and Chief Engineer, Bengal Dooars railway; the Resident Engineer and Agent, Barsi Light railway * Omit the portion within brackets to Morsi aud 1* in case the railway administration in Bengal Icoars railways. desirous of joining the Association]. Telegram No. 52, dated 17th August 1909. From. The Secretary, Railway Conference, To-The Agents, East Indian, Great Indian Peninsula, Bombay, Boroda and Central India, Bengal and North-Western, Southern Mahratta, South Indian, Assarı-Bengal, and Burma railırays; the Agents and Chief Engineers, Bengal-Nagpur, Bengal Central, and Robilkund and Kumaon railways; the Agents and Managers, Madras and the Nizum's Guaranteed State railway's ; the Dianagers, North Western, Oudh and Rohilkhand, Eastern Bengal, Jodhpur-Bikaner nod Udaipur-Chitor railways; the Manager and Engineer-in-Chief, Bhavnagar-Gonilal-Junagad-Porbandar railway; the Secretary, Calcutia Port Commissichers' railway. Please mire thether middle of October nest suits you for bolding meeting at Simla to form Railway Conference Association, and elect President and Secretary. Telegram No. 59, dated 2nd September 1908. From--The Secretary, Railway Conference, To-The Agent and Manager, Madras railway. Conference meets 26th proximo. Will last about a week, Letter follows. Telegram No, co, duted 2nd September 1903. From The Secretary, Railway Conference, To-The Agents, l'ast Indian, Great Indian Peninsula, Bombay, Baroda and Central India, Bengal and North-Western, Si uthern Mahratta, South Ir.dian, Assam-Bengal, and Burma railways; the Agents and Chief Engineers, Bengal-Nagpur, Bengal Central, and Rohilkund and Kumaon railways; the Agent and Manager, the Nizam's Guaranteed State railway ; the Managers, North Western, Oudh and Robilkband, Eastern Bengal, Jodhpur- Bikaner and Udaipur-Chitor railways; the Manager and Engineer-in- Chief, Bbaynagar-Gondal-Junagad-Porbandar railway; the Secretary, Calcutta Port Commissioners' railway, My telegram numbered and dated as follows:-52, 17th ultimo. 26th prosimo fised for first day of meeting. Letter follows.

·9 Appendix I. Rules of the Indian Railway Conference Association, The Indian Railway Conference Association, hereinafter designated the Association, shall consist of all Railway Administrations in British India that intimate their desire to join it, each of whom shall be represented at its meet. ings by ono delogate. It stall clect annually a President from the representatives of the Administrations composing it, and may appoint a paid Secretary and necessary oflice establislıment on terms to be settled by a majority of votes. The Association is constituted to frame, in the manner hereinafter prescribed, Regulations for the management of traffic interchanged between the railways represented in the Association, subject to the following fundamental rulcs:- I.(a) The Association may fiamo regulations for the management of the administrative details of traflic interchanged between the railways represented in the Association--for whicli it shall be agreed that the practice of Indian railways should be uniform-including the fixin“ n* m! use and misuse of vehicles, demurrage, &c, but s to tho fixing of rates or fares or any matters of shall remain under the completo and exclusive control of the several railways represented in the Association, (6) Tho Association may consider at the instance of Government, or of any railways represented in the Association, questions of railway management affect. ing the mutual relations between the railways themsclyes, and also between the railways and the Government, such questions not involving matters falling within the provisions of their respectiva contracts with the Secretary of State. (c) Any of the memhers of the Association may submit for considera. through but any madr, shall become operative on such a proposal only gulation so far as it shall be agreed to buy the representatives of those railways to which it would apply, and on an agreement being thus come to, it sliall be binding on the consenting railways. II.-(a) The Association may act as a Board of Conciliation, under regu. lations to be made by it for the appointment of an Arbitrator or Committee of Arbitration, for the settlement of differences that shall arise between railways represented in the Association on matters governed by the regulations of the Association, or relating to, obligations by which any such railway is bound, under the provisions of Rule I, clause (c). (0) The Association may also act, under similar regulations, as a Board of Conciliation on any other matters when so desired by any of the parties interested in such settlement. III.--(a) Not less than six months' prerious notice must be given in writing to the Secretary of the Association, and not less than three months' previous notico by the Secretary of the Association to the members before any proposal under Rulo I is submitted to the Association for consideration, (1) For the consideration of all questions falling within the Rulo I, two-thirds of the railways representod in the Association shall form a quorum. (c) The Secretary of the Association shall communicate to the Agents or Blanagers of all railways represented in the Association, at their usual residence in India, all notice of matters to be brought before the Association at such time as will ensure the prescribed period intervening before the date fised for the next ensuing meeting. scope of ·Appendix I. 10 IV. The voting power of the rail ways represented in the Association shall be calculated on the basis agreed to at the last Railway Conference in 1900. The conditions of Rules III (a) and (0) shall apply to all proposals for modifying the voting poiver of all railways, as well as for fixing such power in the event of an additional railway joining the Association. V. A majority of not less than three-fourths of the total number of votes of the railways present at any meeting of the Association shall be requisite for the alteration of, or addition to, any regulations of the Association. VI. Any railway represented in the Association may, twelve months after giving notice in writing to the Secretary of the Association of its intention so to do, withdraw from the Association, or withdraw its assent after such notice to any regulation that has been twelve months in operation, and thereafter such regulation shall no longer be binding on it. VII. The necessary expenses of the Association shall be borne by Railway Administrations represented in the Association in the same proportions as their respective voting powers. VIII. The regulations of the Railway Conference, as revised at their meeting in 1900, shall be regarded as regulations of the Association until or so far as any of them shall have been modified under the provisions of these rules. Accepted by the following Railway Companies :--Assam-Bengal, Bengal Central, Bengal Dooars, Bengal-Nagpur, Bengal North-Western, Bombay, Baroda and Central India, Burmah, East Indian, Great Indian Peninsula and Indian Midland, Madras, His Highness the Nizam's State, Rohilkund and Kumaon, South Indian, Southern Mahratta.

·11 APPENDIX II. Thc" Rosebery Medal" for Railıcay Essays. Considerable interest has been aroused recently by statements to the effect that Lord Roschery has inaugurated a scheme to encourage the younger members of all grades of tlic Great Northern Railway Company's employces to study Farious problems note to the fore in British railmay Torking. As somerhat incorrect accounts of this scheme have been published, railway oficers on other systems will, donbtless, be interested to read the circular recently issued to Great Northern Railmay employees, which, by the courtesy of Mr. Oliver Burs, tro aro noir privileged to publish : "The Night IIon, tho Earl of Rosebers, K.G., has kindly offered to gire apoually a gold medal (to bo known as The Rosebery Medal') to the author of the best essay on railsray subjects. Tirelve subjects will he selected each year by the General Manager, mho will issue a list on the 1st of July, and in order that the staff in all departments of the servico may have an opportunity of competing, a trido range of subjects will be choson. Employees of tho Great Northern Company, whose ago does not exceed 33 at the date of the publication of cach year's list, will be cligible to compete, and they may solcct as a subject any one (but not more than ono) of the twelve issued annually. In addition to tho gold medal, a silver medal and diploma will be given to ibo author of tho best essay on each of the oleren remaining subjects The essays will be judged by the Gencral Manager. If technical works aro referred to, or quoted, the author's name must bo giren. The subjects for the year 1903 are as follows: (1) Permanent way, Construction and Mainten. anco; (2) Electric Traction for Railways; (3) Light Railways as Feeders to Main Lines; (:4) Compound and Simple Locomotives Compared ; (5) Work shop Practice in a Railway, workshop; (6) Relativo Cost and Efficiency of Vacuum and Pressure Brakes; (7) Economical Working of Passenger and Goods Trallic; (8) Economical Working of Coal Traffic; (9) Economic Basis of Railway Rates; (10) Tho Law on Railsays in the Vuited Kingdom; (11) Tho Function of Railırays in Rolation Trade and Commerco; (12) General Principle of Accounts of a Railway. We trust that Lord Rosebery's offer may encourago a large number of employees to competo for the wedal, and, what is still more important, stimu. lato the interest of workers in their ork, both in and out of busiuess hours. 10 ·12 APPENDIX III. Proposals by the President, Reviscil proposals by the Boards of Proposals by the Railway Railway Conference, Indian railways. Conference of 1902. The Indian Railway Conference Association, horcinaftor designated The name of the body bo the Association, shull consist of all « The Cbamber of Indian rail. Rnilway Administrntions in British ways." Indin tlint intimato their desiro to join it, cach of whom s!ınll bo reprc- (Vide Resolution No. 3 of the sented at its mootings by ono, Railway Conference of 1902.) delegate. The Chamber of Indian rail. ways shall consist of all railway administrations in India and It shall clect annarilyn President Burma desirous of joining it, from the representativos of the and shall be represented at its Adminisuntions composing it, and meetings by one delegate from mny appoint n pniu Secretary, and cach railway administration necessary offico establishment, on which is a member. It shall be terms to be settled by a majority presided over by a President, of rotos, elected annually from amongst the members, and there shall Tho Association is constituted to be a permanent paid Secretary, frainc, in the mannor hercinnfter selected ly the members, and prescribed, Regulations for the the necessary offico establish. manngement of traflic interchanged ment. between the railwngs represented in tlio Associntion, subject to the fol- (Ville Resolution No. 4 of lowing Fundamental Rules. the Railway Conference of 1902.) (4) To alter or cancel existing 4. To alter or cancel such I. (n) The Associntion may framo Conference roles and existing Conferenco rules as Regulations for the monngement of make such now ones as fall within the competency tho ndministrativo detnils of traffic may from time to time of Agents and Managers, and interclnnged between the railwaga be required. to make such now rules as represented in the Association--for do not requiro superior wliioh it shnll be agreed by the As. (Vide Resolution No. 8 of sanction. sociation tlint tlo practice of Indian the Railway Conference of railways should bo uniform-includ- 1902) ing tho fixing of charges for transhipment, use and misuse of rehi. cles, demurmge, etc., but such Regu- Intions shall not extond to the fixing of rates or farcs or any matters of internal auriministration which shall rcmnin under the complete and exclusive control of tho several rail. (1) To consider all questions way's represented in the Association. 1. To consider all questions 1. (1) The Associntion may consider referred to it by Govern. referred to it by Gopern. at the instance of Gorornment or of ment, railways parties to ment, railways parties to any railways represented in the Assothe Chamber or public the Conference, or public ciation, questions of railway manngehodies, inclnding ques. bodies, and also any pro- ment affecting the matual relations tions of through rates posals for the revision of such between the railwngs themselves, and and fares. of the existing Conference also between tho railways and the rules as Agents and Díana. Government, such questions not (Tide Resolution No. 6 of gers individually are not involving matters falling within the the Railway Conference of empowered to dispose of provisions of their respective con- 1902.) without superior sanction. tracts with the Secretary of State. I. (c) Any of the Members of the Association may submit for consideration proposals relating to rates and fares including the division of through rates designed to take effect on railways represented in the Association; but any opinion of the Associntion which shall be recorded, and any Regulation made, shall become operative on such a proposal only so far as it shall be agreed to by the representatives of those rail. ways to which it would apply, and on an agreement being thus come to it shall be binding on the consenting railways.

·13 Appendix III. Proposals by the Railway Proposalı ly the President, Revised proposals by the Boards of Conference of 1902. Railway Conference. Indian railways (2) To arbitrate between roil. 2. To arbitrate between 11. (a) The Association may act as ways in All deputes, railways in 211 cases of d19- Board of Concilation, under Regawhen called upon to do putes submitted by one or Nations to be made by it for the 80 by mutual conseut. othor or both of the diapu- appointment of an Arbitrator or tants, under euch rules as Committee of Arbitration, ''for the (Pide Resolution No. 7 of may be agreed upon. settlement of differences that eball the Railway Conference of arise between mailkoys réprescát. 1902.) ed in the Association on matters (3) 10 interpret all readings). 3. To entarnmat a11 والا) قد أعمالنا (b) Tho A840cintion may also act under similar Regulations, 'as" Bonrd of Conciliation ܕ ܙ L. Nil MI. III. (a) Not less than ais months' previong notice must be given in writing to the Secretary of tho As. sociation and not less than three months' previous notico by tho Sec. retary of the Argociation, to the members beforo any proposat under Rule 1 14 submitted to the Association for consideration. Nil. 7, Tro-thirds of the rail- III.() For the consideration of . tlo Deccanery quorun. Nil. Nil. TII (c) The Secretary of the Association shall commanicato to tho Agonts or Managers of all mail. Frags represented in the Association, at their qual residence in India, all notice of matters to bo brought before the Association at auch time, ng will ensure the piescribed period intervening before the date fixed for the next ensuing meeting IV. The voting power of the Trilnung nandit, dition basis Con na ot apply (9) Io voting on all questions. 9. Io voting on all qung- L.C.a etnican 3 tho well the event of an additional railway 2010- 20g the Association. (Vide Resolation No. 9 of the Railway Conference of 1902.) V. A majority of not loss than (8) With regard to (1). (3)... Questions referred on. referrou under 14) el ue (Vide Resolution No. 9 of decided on a baro majority, the Railway Conferenco of tho President baying tho 1902.) casting Foto.

·14 Appendix III. Revised proposals by tho Boards of *Indian railitays. Proposals by the President, Railway Conference. Proposals by the Railway Conference of 1902. Nil. After the regulations passed at & Conference have beon in operation for a period of six months, any railway or railways shall be at liberty, after giving six months' simultaneous notice to the Secretary to the Confer. ence and all railways parties to the Conference, to withdrar from any regulation or reguln. tions. This withdrawal shall only apply to transactions with the railway or railways giving the six months' notice, VI. Any railwny ropresented in tho Association mny, twelro months after giving notice in writing to the Secretary of the Association of its intention no to do, withdraw from thie Association or witlidrag its nssent after soch notice to any Regulation that hins been traire months in operation, and thereafter such Regulation shall no longer bo binding on it. (Vide Resolution No. 3 (6) of the Railway Conforonco of 1900.) Nil VII. Tho necessary exponses of the Associntion shall be borno by Railway Administrations represented ia tho Associntion in the smo proportions as their respective roting powers. The administrations of tho various railways recommend Government or their Boards to contribute towards the cost of keeping up the necessary permanent establisbment, the cost being apportioned between the several railways in direct proportion to their yoting powers. (Vide Resolution No. 5 of the Railway Conferenco 1902.) Nil. Nil. VIII. Tho Regulations of the Railway Conferenco as revised at their mectin ing in 1900 shall be regarded as Regalations of tho Association until or so far as any of them shall baro been modified under the provision of these Rules. Niz. (5) In all matters referred to 5. In all matters referred it under (1) the Chamber to it under (1) tho Confer. shall give such opinion once shall espress an opinion or make sach representa- or mako a recommendation tion as it may think fit. only, and no changes which may be suggested shall have (Pide Resolution No. 8 of effect antil confirmed by the Railway Conference of superior authority, 1902.) Nil. (6) In all matters referred un. 6. In all matters referred der (2) and (3), the decinto it under (2), (3), and sion of the Chamber (4), the decision of the shall be final and binding. Conference shall bo final and binding. (7) In all matters connected with (4), the decision of the Chamber shall be binding after confirma. tion by the Government of India and the Boards of Directors concerned. (Vide Resolution No. 8 of the Railway Conference of 1902.)

·16 APPENDIX IV. Scale for cotes os mileage lasis. + > > . 13 > » 19 2 . 1 79 31 + . Not escording $50 miles 1 vote. Above 1,800 to 2,000 miles . 6 rotas. Abore 950 to 500 2 Totes 2,000 to 2,800 7 500 to 750 9 2,500 to 3,000 8 780 to 1,000 3,000 » 1,000 to 1,500 6 Scale for roles on freight fox-mileage basis, Not exceeding 20 millios freight ton. Alove 250 mullion to 400 million olles 1 vote, freight ton-miles 7 votes. Abora 10 million to 50 million Above son million to 600 million freight ton-miles 9 votes. {resght toa-railes 8 abore 50 million to 100 million Above 600 million to 800 million freight ton-piles 3 freight ton-miles 9 Abore 200 million to 150 saillion Above 800 million to 1,000 millios freight ton-miles freight ton-miles 10 Above 150 million to 200 million Above 1.000 million to 1,500 million freight toz-miles 5 freight tun-miles Above 200 milion to 250 million Aloro 1,500 million freight tonfreight ton-miles miles 12 • 1 » When open and tador contracting on the list December 1903 Tall pun ber of role on ilere buw Intaallenight $outledge bus 193 Balfomdex al rates frutton wilcage Dents Total umbet of roten fox uch delegate. Oudh and Lobil band. 91 270,152,000 34 Erstert Bengal 25 277,736,000 3} 1,2003 2,8781 2,3664 2,8033 Eat Ladian S 2,142,678,000 6 ID 4 Great Jada Prionis 1,$32,235,000 10 3,976 North Western 2,143,650.000 10 . 2,5311 875,763,000 6 9 1,9483 2} 197,321,000 23 62 123 13,568,000 1 2) 8 Bombay, Baroda kod Central India Bengal sod Morte-Iletters Deogal Central Bengal Docars. Peugal Nagpur 163 7 3,909,000 $ 3} 2,0561 334,925,000 9} 7 2,017 3 325,640,000 31 Medias 7 1,7144 9 176,BACON 6 Seather Wahrsts 2 201,380,000 3 Burma . 2,3371 1,3811 } 166,781,000 3 4 7423 150,814,000 38,€45,000 3 8 7793 . South Indian El flighaeus the Miza't Quaranteed State 8.898 Bengal Jodbpur-Bikaner Lokilkand aud UDAD Calepita Port Communion ou 1 $ . 8241 3304 42,520,000 32,348,000 1 1 > 5,519,000 ·16 APPENDIX V. - Rules for the conduct of business at the Railway Conference of 1903. The rules for the conductiof business shall be.as follows: 1. To form the Indian Railway Conference Association, to elect a President for the year, and a permanent Secretary and decide upon the lead-quarters of the Association. 2. The committee shall consist of a President so elected, who shall direct the proceedings, one officer appointed by cach railway administration desirous of joining the Association, and the permanent Secretary, or one selected for this meeting. 3. The voting power of cach delegato will be determined with reference to the importance of the railway he represents. The scale of votes is to bo found in Appendix IV. 4. Railway officers, other than delegates, attending the conference shall be eligible to serve on any of the sub-committees, if any are formed. The proceedings of sub-committees shall have no forco until confirmed by a full conforence or quorum. 5. Two-thirds of the members of the conference, including the President, shall form a quorum. 6. The hours of business shall be from 11 A.M. till 4. P.21. daily, Satur. days and Sundays excepted.

·17 APPENDIX VI. Dated Gulmarg, the 13th September 1903. From-BRFTET.COTOVEL W. V. CONSTABLE, R.E, Vanager, Eastern Bengal State railway (on leave), TomCOLONEL G. F. Wilson, R E., President, Railway Conference, Simla. In reply to your circular letter No. 61 of the 2nd instant, I bare the honour to make the following remarks :- If the subjects for discussion at the Simla meeting are confined to items (a). (6) and (c) only, as defined in your paragraph 2, I think, as Sate railways should be able to accept without any disadvantage any rules or decisions come to by the companies, that it may not be necessary for the Eastern Bengal (State) railway to be represented at the proposed meeting in Simli. I shall be very busy after ing return to Calcutta and I cannot possibly spare a traffic or other officer as a delegate. If permissible, I would, lorever, give my voting power to either of the two other State railways that may be present. 2. I, howerer, take the liberty of criticising one or two points, both in the rules accepted by the Boards as well as in your circular No 61. 3. First of all I think it is most desirable that it may be made the rule, if it is not so intended in the rules passed by the companies' Boards, that any one railway shall be competent to submit proposals to the Association, provided the subject falls within the matters governed by the regulations; otherwise the party tbat would be likely to lose or has the most to lose, on a reference, would often refuse to consent to the matter being adjudicated on. I therefore suggest that the following alterations may be made in the rules passed by the Home Board :- In rule I (), line 2, for " Railways" read “ Railway" and in lino 1 for the Railways "lcad "ang Railway" and in (c), line 1, for" of the members " read "single member." In rule II (1), line 3, interpolate "one" between "any" and "of." Another rule that strikes one as being pot quito suitable is rule III (a). The notice required seems unnecessarily lods in all More elasticity might be given, I think, to provide for a case where some regulation passed by a previous conference, requires modification and where all agree that this had better be done as soon as possible. 4. To deal not with your No G1, I do not think the analogy betrreen a Chamber of Commerce and the Railway Association alluded to in paragraph 2 is quite to the point. The former generally consists, not only of mercantile people, but also of railway men, port trust, corporation and other Gorernment oficials, and is chicây an advisory body. The latter, lorerer, consists solely of railiray officials, and as the Association is not erapotered under the rules to deal with cases of rates and fares, or with those falling, within the provisions of tho contracts betreen the companies' railways and the Secretary of State, I do not see irliy it should not consider any matters falling within the conitions laid dotra in rule I (8) of the Association's rules. In fact, I think, rovided that Gorerament has the power of roto in all cases, the Association ad better possess the poirer of either advising or deciding in cach case, as it cases ny think fit. 5. As regaris the last portion of your paragraph 3, I do not quite under. od its purport. I think as beads of railways should be the only delegates ·16 APPENDIX V. Rules for the conduct of business at the Railway Conference of 1903. The rules for the conduct of business shall be as follows: 1. To form the Indian Railway Conference Association, to elect a President for the year, and a permanent Secretary and decide upon the head-quarters of the Association. 2. The committee shall consist of a President so elected, who shall direct the proceedings, one officer appointed by cach railway administration desirous of joining the Association, and the permanent Secretary, or one selected for this, meeting. 3. The voting power of each delegate will be determined with reference to the importance of the railway he represents. The scale of votes is to bo found in Appendix IV. 4. Railway officers, other than delegates, attending the conference shall be eligible to serve on any of the sub-committees, if any are formed. The proceedings of sub-committees shall have no force until confirmed by a full conference or quorum, 5. Two-thirds of the members of the conference, including the President, shall form a quorum. 6. The hours of business shall be from 11 A,2, till 4. P.21. daily, Saturdays and Sundays excepted.

·17 APPENDIX VI. Dated Gulmarg, the 13th September 1903. From-BRFvLT-CoIovil W. V. CoNsTABLE, RE, Manager, Easter Bengal State railway (on leave), To-Colonel G. F. Wilsox, R E, President, Railway Conference, Simla. In reply to your circular letter No. 61 of the 2nd instant, I bare the honour to make the following remarks :- If the subjects for discussion at the Simla meeting are confined to items (a), (6) and (c) only, as defined in your paragraph 2, I think, as Sinte railways should be able to accept without any disadvantage any rules or decisions come to by the companies, that it may not be necessary for the Eastern Bengal (State) railway to be represented at the proposed meeting in Simlu. I shall be very busy after my return to Calcutta and I cannot possibly spare a traffic or other officer as a delegate. If permissible, I would, however, give my voting power to either of the two other State railways that may be present. 2. I, horrerer, take the liberty of criticising one or two points, both in the rules accepted by the Boards as well as in your circular No 61. 3. First of all I think it is most desirable that it may be made the rule, if it is not so intended in the rules passed by the companies' Boards, that any one railway shall be competent to submit proposals to the Association, provided the subject falls within the matters governed by the regulations; otherwise the party tbat would be likely to lose or has the most to lose, on a reference, would often refuse to consent to the matter being adjudicated on. I therefore suggest that the following alterations may be made in the rules passed by the Home Board :- In rule I (6), line 2, for " Railways" read " Railway" and in line 1 for " the Railways" read "any Railway" and in (c), lino 1, for" of the members " read single member.” In rule II (0), line 3, interpolate "one" between "any " and "of.', Another rule that strikes one as being not quite suitable is rule III (a). The notice required seems unnecessarily long in all More elasticity might be given, I think, to provide for a case where some regulation passed by a previous conference, requires modification and where all agree that this had better be done as soon as possible. 4. To deal now with your No. 61, I do not think the analogy between a Chamber of Commerce and the Railway Association alluded to in paragraph 2 is quite to the point The former generally consists, not only of mercantile people, but also of railway men, port trust, corporation and other Government oficials, and is chiefly an advisory body. The latter, however, consists solely of railsray officials, and as the Association is not empowered under the rules to deal with cases of rates and fares, or with those falling within the provisions of the contracts between the companies' railways and the Secretary of State, I do not see iliy it should not consider any matters falling within the conditions laid down in rule 1 (6) of the Association's rules. In fact, I think, provided that Government has the porter of reto in all cases, the Association had better possess the power of eitlier advising or deciding in each case, as it cases may think fit. 5. As regards the last portion of your paragraph 3, I do not quite under. stand its purport, I think as heads of railways should be the only delegates ·Appendix VI. Q 18 of the Association and, as many of them have engineering and traſlic and even audit experience, any sub-committees that it may be found necessary to creato, should be left each time to the Association to appoint, and I would prefer mised sub-committee, say, on the important subject of "standardising,” to separate sub-commit!ees of engineers, locomotive or traffic men, who would each make their own report and then meet and make a joint report to the Association, I think far better and more practical results would be obtained from a selected committee of the best nen the Association would appoint as occasion would require, and naturally each lead of a railway would consult his experts before giving his opinion. I do not see either why the present Locomotive Committee should not submit its recommendations to the Association direct who would appoint, when necessary, a sub-committee to report on the proposal. In the same way an engineering committee might be formed. I feel sure it will cause delay if so many expert sub-committees, each consisting solely of men of some particular department, were appointed as suggested by you, and as far as the locomotive department is concerned, no delegates belonging to the Association could be found. A mixed sub-committee, with some experts in it, is much more likely in each case to recommend practical measures, and it should get through its work quicker. 6. I interpret your paragraph 4 to mean that the subjects detailed there. in will not be discussed in October. This, I think, is absolutely right. As you are aware I take a great interest in subjects (i) and (ii). As regards the first, I do not think it could be dealt with in a practical manner set, for it will take a considerable time for each railway to tabulate its standard dimensions and infringements of standard dimensions as they exist and to calculate what the cost of introducing wider stock will be, and without this information any action in the direction indicated would be premature. In respect of subject (ii) and also of (i) so far as it concerns heavior axle loads, I trust that the subject may not be discussed by the Association until all the replies, including my No. 475 D. G. R., of the 4th June 1903, to Government of India's No. 455 R. S. of the 27th March 191.3, have been cir. culated by Government and fully considered by each railway administration. The Director of Railway Construction has told me that this action will be taken, and I would ask the Conference to look at what is being done elsewhere before agreeing to any “standardising." Dr. Thomas Robertson and Colonel Gardiner are strongly against any "standardising” such as was proposed at the Calcutta Conference of December 1901., and the special Railway Commissioper properly remarks that "standardisation means “ stagnation." 1r. Cardew, the Locomotive Superintendent of the Oudh and Robilkhand rail. way, in his report on American methods also alludes to the subject in the following words. Types of engines. There are many types of engines in America, contrary to the prevailing idea that there are not. As an instance of this the P. R. R has types named from A to H and these classes are divided up into sub-classes and known as A, or B, according to modifications made on new lots of engines of those classes. Had there been one type only, and no deviations allowed from it, the American engines would not now be pulling the loads they are doing." This is true all over the world, and any unbiassed person has only to look through the files of illustrated English engineering papers and magazines for the last year to satisfy himself that every single railway in England bas changed its types within the last twelve months and is continuing to modify them. And not only that, but they are trying French and American types. For India, which is backward beyond all other countries in the world in its type of engines (for proof of which see the Calcutta Conference papers and Colonel Gardiner's note on Standardisation, which are conclusive), to attempt standardising, as proposed just at this time, would be sheer folly. 7. I have just read the English Clearing House Rules, and although the Eastern Bengal (State) railway would be less favourably affected by the intro- ·11 - - 7. P 19 Appendix TI. duction of a Clearing House than most of the other large systems, I am in dificulty, I sec, but dcal, on this systom, hare one Clearing uvun suy, ab uupulu Ol LLULLOW, UL il luns ve ul lessible, then to hare ona for northern and central Indian railways there, and let the southern rail. ways wait a little and seo how the experiment works. Again, it might be feasible to have three or four local Clearing Houses, or one central one, say, at Cawnpore or Lucknow and branches, say, at Calcutta, Jadras and Bombay. What I do not grasp is, supposing there are sereral local Clearing Houses, who would clear the tradic, i.e , adjust the accounts when trallic passes between lines whoso accounts are usually dealt with by separate Clearing Oliecs ? For ins Western rail. wa and another at anotlier at Madras for the South Indian and Madras railways, lost would traffic between Lahore and Madras or between Lahore and Trichinopoly be dealt with ? But the Eastern Bengal (State) railway will accept any proposals tho majority of delegates agree to, and I assume all the conference would nou do, if it did anything, would be to appoint a sub-committee to pale recommendations. : 12a Flaptono plommal/Cinta) railway has but until his I with tho mnat think that the :- im for the add: . ii T ·APPENDIX VII. Dated the 30th June 1903. From--The Manager and Executive Engineer, Morvi railway, To-The President, Railway Conference. I beg to say it is a good idea to hold a Conference in Simla during the present season for the purpose stated therein; but at the same time I would say that I am unable to send any delegate to represent this railway at the Conference as I am the only European on the line. 19-02 No. T. E- 4565 dated the 2nd October 1903. > From-The Manager, Udaipur-Chitor railway, To-The Secretary, Railway Conference. & I am afraid this railway cannot be represented at the Conference, as I am being transferred and the new Manager will not arrive till after that date. No. 4281 M., dated the 9th October 1903. From--The Manager, Eastern Bengal State railway, To_The President, Railway Conference. With reference to your letter No. 77,* dated 2nd October 1903, on the subject of the formation of the Indian *Not printed. Railway Conference Association, I have the honour to inform you that, as suggested by you, I am this day, the 9th October 1903, giving my voting power to Mr. Burt, Manager, Oudh and Robilkband railway, to represent the Eastern Bengal State railway at the proposed meeting. Telegram, dated 12th October 1903. From--The Secretary, Calcutta Port Commissioners' railway, To-The Secretary, Railway Conference. Mr. W. A. Dring will act as Commissioners' representative at the Conference. Telegram, dated 17th October 1903. From-The Agent and Chief Engineer, Bengal Central railway, Calcutta, To-The President, Railway Conference, Simla. Your telegramt of 13t2 instant. Acting Agent, Bengal and North-Western † Not priuted. railway, will act proxy for me at Conference. We, Finlay, Muir & Co. of Calcutta, being the Agents of the Bengal Dooars le Railway Company, Limited, and entitled to two votes, I hereby appoint Edward Anster Neville, Acting Agent of the Bengal and North-Western railway, as our Prors, to rote for us and on our behalf, at the Railway Traffic Conference to be held at Simla on the 26th day of October 1903 and at any adjournment thereof. As witness our band this 17th day of October 1903. FINLAY, MUIR & Co., Agents, Bengal Dooars Railway Company, Limited, Witness, R. LANGFORD JAMES, 1, Clive Street, Calcutta.

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Appendix VII.
No. G 6295—47 (22), dated the 21st October 1903.
From The Manager and Engineer-in-Chief, Bhaynagar-Gondal-Janagad-Porbandar
railway,
To-The President, Railway Conference.
In continuation of this oflice No. G 6170—47 (22), * dated 14th September
1903, I have the honour to state that I
• Nut printci.
regret that important railway business
prevents my attending the Railway Conference as intended.

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·23 INDIAN RAILWAY CONFERENCE ASSOCIATION, 1903. Monday, the 26th October 1903, 11-45 a. m. With reference to paragraph 7 of the President of the Railway Conference's address at the meeting of thic Confcrence at 11 A 31, on the 26th of October 1003, Messrs. S. Finnes and A. W. U Pope were unanimously elected as Clairman and Secretary, respectively, of the meeting which met at 11-15 A.M. The following were present :- PRESIDENT Janager, North TV'estern railıcay, S. FINNEY, Esq. SECRETARY: Trafic Superintendent, Oudh and Rohilkhand railroay, A. I U. POPE, EBQ. DELEGATES Ansam-Bengal railway R. S. STRACHEY, Esq. Bengal and North-Western rail. E. A. Neville, Eeq. Agent. Acting Agent, } . Bergal Central rar'rcay E. A. NEVILLE, Esq. Acting Agent, Bengal and Bengal Dooart railway North-1/'estern railway, Bengal-Nagpur railway C. BECKETT, L&q. Acting agent and Chief Exgineer. Bombay, Baroda and Central W. HARTET, Esq Acting Agent. India railway. Durma railways Cart W. A. S. KINCAID, Agent. R.E. Calcutta Port Commissionera' rail. W.A. Deixc, Ceq. A Port Commissioner. way. Eastern Dengal Slate railway II. P. BURT, Lsq. Manager, Oudh and Rohilkhand railway. East Indian railcoy J. Dacolas, Esq. Agent, Great Indian Peninsula railway. F. T. RICKARDS, Esq. Deputy Agent. Jodhpur-Brlarer railway W. HOME, Esq. Alanager, Madras railday. E, W. STONEY, Esq. Acting Agent and Manager, Nizam's Guaranteed Slate rail. W. PENDLEBCEY, Esq. Agent and Manager. tay. Oudh and Rohilkhand railway II. P. BURT, Esq. Janager, Rohilkund and lumaor railway. J. ROBB, Esq. Acting Agent and Chief En. gineer Southern Makralta railway Lt.-Col. J. BURN MU&- Agent. . . . . . DOCII, R,E. South Indian raslway, MAJOR A. D. G. SHELLEY, Agent, R.E.

·24 The following officers also attended the meeting :- Bengal and North-Western rail. J. VALKER, Esq. Traffic illanager. way. Bengal-Nagpur railway A. M. Clark, Esq., Acting Traffic Nunager. Bombay, Baroda and Central C. A. R. CROMMELIN, Esq. General Traffic Manager. India railway. Great Indian Peninsula railway. A. C. RUMBOLE, Esq. Acling General Traffic liana. ger, Madras railway D. Ross-JOHNSON, Esq. . Traffic Manager. North TV estern railway Br. LT.-COL. C. II. Cowir, Depuly Banager, R.L. C. J. KTENE, Esq., C.I.I.. 019. Traffic Superintendent, Southern Dlahratta railway. W. B. Wright, Esq. Frallic Blutsager. South Indian railway. T. J. McClououin, Esg.. Acting Traffic Munager. The President-elect in taking his seat spoke as follows:- . + . GENTLEMEN, I beg to thank you for the honour you have conferred on me in haring elected me as President of this Conference and to convey to you Mr. Pope's thanks for the honour done him in electing him as Secretary. It appears to me that the first point we bare to consider is the Rules of the Indian Railway Conference Association as contained in Appendix I of the Proceedings of the Railway Conference held to-day at 11 A.M.If wo are to adhere to these rules strictly, it would seem that we cannot get very much further, as our functions will practically be confined to thoso of the old Conference. It is a matter for the railways concerned to decide whether we should act on these rules as they stand, or whether the majority of those prescut would consider it desirable to make representations to their Boards regarding any modification or alteration of the rules. When this point has been decidcd, tre llave to consider vliether we should take any proceedings further in regard to rules as they stand or in view of any alteration that may be proposed. I would invite any gentleman who desires to do so to express an opinion regarding the rules in Appendix I of the Proceedings of the Railway Conference beld to-day at ll 4.31. Proposal No. 1. Proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R. E., and seconded by Mr. C. Beckett: Seeing that the views expressed in the retiring President's opening address have been framed after the receipt by Government of the rules fruined by the London Committee of Representatives of the Companics' railways, this meeting considers that tliese views may be accepted as indicating the intentions of Government. This being so, the Home Board should be given a further opportunity of considering tbe wishes of Government as now set forth. Resolved That each representative of Companies' railways recommend his Board to accept the suggestion of the Government of India, that the Association should undertake the duties and responsibilities of a Representative Body to which Government as well as the railways themselves could submit questions inrolving rates which have general applicability and others relating to railway administration for opinion and advice, The revised proposals and rules, in wbich latter would be included, as far as applicable, the London Committee rules, be drawn up by a Sub-Committee. That these proposals and rules after being passed by this Association be submitted together with copies of the proceedings and discussion of this meeling by the Agents of the various Companies' railways to their Home Boards for sanction, On the proposal of Mr. E. A. Nerille, seconded by Nir. R. S. Strachey, it was agreed unanimously That the consideration of the proposal made by Lientenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R.E., be postponed till it is in the lands of the delegates in print for consideration in the afternoop. Resolation NO, 1, ·The Chairman having in rited onininen -- the retiring President's address in t ot Resolution IL A B, to-day, regardling the “Enc at No.2. problemas," it was proposed by Ur. . 1. Stoney, and seconded by Major May A. D. G. Shelley, R.E.: That a reward be given for an Essay on railray subjects and that details in reward to the nature of the reward and of the competitina be referrel to a sub committee. The voting was as follows: Ayes-103 votes. Noel Nil Votes, Votes Assam-Bengal ry. (R. S. Stracbey) 8 Bengal and North-T'estern, Bengal Central and Bengal Dooars rys. (E. A. Neville) 8 Bengal-Nagpar Ty. (C. Beckett) 7 Bombay, Baroda and Central Iodis ry. (1y. larvey) 9 Burma rys. (W. A. S. Kincaid) 6 Calcutta Port Commissioners' ry. (w, A. Dring) Vil. East Indian ry. (3. Douglas). Great Indian Peninsulary. (8. T. Rickards) . 10 Jodhpur-Bikaner ry. (17. Home) . 3 Diadras ry. (E 19. Stoney) Nizam'. Guarantee State zy8. (W. Pendielury) North Western ry. (S. Finney) , 10 Ondh and Robilk hand and Eastern Ben. gal State rys (H. P. Burt) Robilkund and Kumaon ry. (J. Rolb) 2 Southern Mahratta ry. (1, Bum Sur doch) 6 Sonth Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley) 6 . . . 10 . 12 . . Proposal agreed to. (Adjeuroed to Monday, the 26th Octaber 1903, at 14-30 o'clock,] ·26 Monday, the 26th October 1903, 14-30 o'clock. The delegates and visitors prosent were the same as in the meeting lield at 11-45 A. II. The consideration of the proposal madc luy Licuíonant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R. E., postponed from the mecting held at 11-13 A.ll., was resumed on receipt of the printed copies thereof. In moving liis proposal Licutenant.Colonel J. Burn Jurdoch, R.E., spoke as follows: ul MR. CHAIRBTAX AND GENTLEMEN, In rising to propose the Resolntion that stands in my name I must caprees regret that the moving of some such Resolution, should not have been put forward by one of the Agents of the older lincs, say one of my friends Mr. Wenden, Colonel Olivier, or Nr. 1Vyute. It is no 1-0 saying much about this; we have to take things as they are. I think you will agree that the position in which we find ourselves is not altogether au cary one. Wo lave liad placral before its tiro important documents, and we have to consider three two documents by the light of a third. The first of these two documents is the set of rules drafted by General Strachey, the Chairman of the East Indian railway, and accepted by the Boards at home. The second dacurnent consists of the Ciririnan's opening address. The third is Mr. Robertson's recintly publishind report, incluling, as it does, proposals for clic establishment of a Railway B.vari, and here I base to remind you that our late Pre-ident drew our attentiun to the probability of suino auch Board being formed by Government. I think a brief consideration of those payers will show that ison plain but antagonistic alternatives are presented to the Railways represented on the Association, vis. :- (1) whether they are to undertake the Large Part recommended by the Government of India, or (2) whether they should decline this and go in for thio Small Part indicated in the rules buy sent out, To clear things, it would lic as well to see what these parts are, and in doing so it will be best to use the worls of our late President. The Small Part consists in doing nothing more than taking the place of the old Railway Trallic Conference. The Larger Part is tlint the scope of the duties of the Conference should be csicnded 80 that it should " become oot only a merc Committee for the purpose of framing rules and regulations for the conduct traffic, but a real consultative Committee, to which Government, as well as lailways themselves, could submit all manner of questions relating to railway administration for opinion and advice." These two alternatives, gentlemen, scom to me to be indicated in no uncertain terms. In considering, first, the Small Part, I think we shall do well to recognize frankly that the rules, as crafted by General Strachey, the chairman of the East Indian Railway Brard, and accepted by our Boards, are framed not only for the purposes of the Small Part but also so as to negative the inclusion of the Large Part. All the same I fully recognize the many advantages that would be gained by accepting thein straight off. Such a courec would save us all a lot of trouble ; would save us having to undertake responsibilities, 1 ·27 If we accept them straight away, each one of us would be guite jastified in earias * whatever may be tay own private opinion as to the wisdom of the roles, I are the serrant of the Bourd and bare no business to expresa it, but most accept and act upon the rules." Tha not would alinhawil...brothet. These considerations as also the fact that when the London Boards accepted General Strachey's draft rules, as they practically did, they had not before them a good deal of the information that we now have before us, uit. the documents I bare alluded to and Mr. Robertson's report seems to me to make it our duty to tesubmit the case, each of us, to our ofa Board. This bringa me to the Large Part that I advocate tbat the Railways should scept. I agaia refer to the definition of the large part as abore quoted from our lato President's opening address, I don't think, gentlemen, it is necessary to dilate at any great length on the advantages that would aetae by a doping it, were the association allowed to "take on the Large Part. The rock ahesd is obriously the question of rates and fares. It is assamed that such 7. Gayernrncat of India may please to introduce; to this must be added we ...:-. Alt Dvasistent's dress which seems to me to radicate . ercise their powers more rection in which they will be undue competitioa. titing; I think that com. real p sition and strengta while paying for. Flow- Dess, we have to face the y to be. Gedtlomea, if I take it i snevitable we have to he ruled, surely it is better to be zaled 2. Bomino of thich we have taken the predominant a small Railway Baard such as ject tbe measure of flome Rule under the idea that by acceptiag simply disastrous, Gibboa says somesberal quote from memory.bhal 'tue hand that will not grasp the sword will not long retain the sceptre". The quotation is of course a tride absurd hom 1.1. tation of famngnica 31704. I to frames ateseiuuem to their masters, the Home Boards, + ------- like the East airman of their ard, umghlo to believe that our Boards, composed as they are of English I beliese that whatever decision they - ach as, for asking them to reconsider the matter. i - ·28 Of course a certain amount of delay will be involved, but it rill be small. I think that if the Resolution were accepted it might subsequently be proposed that the decisions of the Boards be considered at a postponed meeting to be held in Calcủtta, say in February next. We would then know definitely and finally, -and finality is the great point,- here we stand, whether we had to go in for a Secretary on Rs. 250 or Rs. 2,500, his functions being so entirely dependent on the decision arrived at. In conclusion I would strongly urge the great importance of the matter. I believe we are at the parting of the ways, and if we take what I believe is the wrong way, I don't think we shall ever get the chance of turning into the right way again. Mr. C. Beckett also spoke as follows :- I beg to second the proposal which has been so ably expanded by my friend-Colonel Burn Murdoch. I think it is unnecessary for me at present to add anytbing to what he has said. In Mr. Beckett was followed by Mr. W. Pendlebury who said :-- I think there is a great deal in what Colonel Burn Murdoch has put before us. talking over this matter of rates and fares with many of the representatives of the various railways, there has appeared to be a feeling in their minds that their Boards might think that they were not acting loyally and that they might not like their asking them to reconsider the matter. All I have to say is that if it is their conviction that the Companies' interests will not suffer, then they ought to say so and vote for this proposal. I feel confident that if our Boards of Directors, who are shrewd business men who have had experience of railway working, not only oa their own Boards but on those of other railways both in England and India, knew that their representatives had such a feeling they would think that their officers ought to have the courage of their convictions, and let their Directors know what they felt. I should not like, if I were a Director, to bave a Manager or Agent who bad ideas on certain points, but who did not care to express them simply because they were not the same as those of their Boards. I have had a very long esperience of traffic working, and I have no besitation in stating that I do not believe that if this Association is allowed to deal with questions of disputes as regards through rates and fares that anything will ever be done that will prove to be prejudicial to tbe interest of any railway in India. Bear in mind that this authority would be exercised by neutral parties, for no one should be allowed to vote who was concerned in the matter in dispute. Also that the questions would be decided by men of experience who are experts in railway traffic matters. I feel sure that the interests of the different Boards could be entrusted to the Association with the greatest safety. Not only would nothing prejudicial be done, but a great deal might be accomplished that would facilitate the working of railways. It is only a question of through rates; no one would, as I understand, interfere with the local rates of any railway company, so that as regards our own rates we would have supreme control. In asking the representatives to support this proposal, I have to point out that all we ask is for the Directors to reconsider the particular point put forward by Government, and if they are satisfied with the assurance of their executive officers that no harın will result from the adoption of our views, to sanction what we propose. If the Boards do not agree with us then they will say so, and no harm will have been done except to delay the election of the President and permanent Secretary for two or three months. Resolution No. 3 The following amendment was proposed by Mr. F. T. Rickards and seconded by Mr. E. W. Stoney :- That the Indian Railway Conference Association be now and is hereby formed under the rules framed by the Boards of Directors of the Companies' railways in India, and that the latest views of Government be again placed before the Boards for favour of further consideration, with the enquiry whether they desire to reconsider the fundamental rules laid down by them in the direction of Firstly,--Empowering the Indian Railway Conference Association to consider and tender advice on questions involving rates which have general applicability, when referred to it by Government. Secondly, -Estending the scope of its duties to the consideration of questions not directly concerned with traffic matters when referred to it by Government, or by railways, parties to the Association.

·seject these rules to +UVU,...... 29 In proposing tbe amendment, Nt. Rickards spoke as follows: I am sorry to have to propose au amendment to Colonel Burn Mardoch's proposed Resolution, because, in the best place, I agree with the general sim, and objects of his proposal, I believe most of the representatives of the railways bare hold it to be necessary that the rietse of Government, Saving been expounded to be should be placed before the Boaruls, with the object of giving them the opportunity of considering how far the rules, under which they have placed us, need modifications to comply with those views. The old conference bas now been done away with and Colonel Wilson, the President, bas sesigned. We are met here to create a new conference, and we have been given a set of sules upder thich reare to form oureelves into a Conference Association. It scems to me that the proper thing to do is to form a pew Ageociation reforo fre begin to discuss any questions concerning, or spy alterations of, the rules; otherwise we are not in a position to deal with matters of this kind at all. The Boards bave giren us certain rules, and I think that we are bound to act opan them; they may alter them if thay $99or no may have good reasons for sskrogetheca to alter them hereafter. As Colonel Bart Murdoch 63 the Board framed tbe ru same time Gaverstment take upon that Report. I do not think we are in a position to assume that Government is going in for the Commission proposed by sir. Kobertson. But as they have asked us to form an Association that might be consalted by Goveroment, 1 thus that the Boards, when the proposals are placed before then, may desire to meet the views of Government in respect to this matter The rules, as frated by the Board, proride that six months' notice shall be given before a questioa is referred to the Devy Association. This knalles esery railway to consult its Board, and the Hanumant nonner in srive this Association are really slway will consult ite Board I therefore think that, if we put the Resolntion in the form I suggest, we shall secure the side object as is desired by Colonel Buro Murdoch and that we shall be more likely to obtain success. Mr. Storey, in seconding the amendment, said: It seems to me that the Boards at 1 haping eent definite rules, we can es in his Resulution to practically ---- . Mr. Pendlebury, interrupting, said ime TP& do nothing of the kind. I object to this remark. I am sure that no one is more des rous than 1 ap to carry out the washes of my Directors, Dr. Stoney continued and postpone forming the Indian Railway Conference Association peading further reference to our Boards. I think therefore that if our suggestions are put before be Boards in the manner in which they are put in thua Resolutiop by Mr. Rickards, they stand a better clance of being accepted than as proposed in the Original Resolution, Tberefore I support the amendment, as I think it is put ia & more tactful way than in the original Resolation. Dir. R. S. Stracbey said: (First sentence not heard. Therefore I do not think we could do better than accept the Board's roles as sent out, ·30 Mr. C. Beckett spoke as follows:-- MR. CHAIRUAN AND GENTLEMEN, As Colonel Bumn Murdoch has rightly remarked, we have come to a porting of the ways. What we have pratically given us is an option by Government to accopt what we may call Home Rulo; or if we read between the lines of the late Prosident's opening speech, we lay ourselves open to action being taken by Government to force upon us the views or opinions wbich they, or any Committee which they may appoint, hold as regards tlio administration of the railways of which wo havo charge under our Boards. Thoy approach us with Home Rulo, practically with both hands; they hand it to 18 and say: " Here you are : we are quito prepnred for the railways of India to, en far as may be, assist us and guide us with their opinions in the administration of their oliarges; if you don't accept the duties wbich we now offer you it is quite probe able that we shall have to issue orders and instructions which you, under your contracts, are bound to follow." Here Mr. Beckett was interrupted by Mr. T. A. Dring, who, addressing the Chair on a point of order, said: MR. CHAIRMAN, The proposer and seconder of the Resolution have made their remarks in support of ibeir Resolution, are thoy not now required merely to reply to the remarks of the proposer and seconder of the amendment ? The Chairman said :- Strictly speaking that is so, but I thought the members would like to bear anything Mr. Beckett bas to say. Mr. Beckett continucd : It bas been stated by members here present that the proposal as put before the Association by Colonel Burn Murdoch and seconded by myself seems to indicate a want of loyalty, or apparent loyalty, or insubordination, to our Boaris. Tbere I cannot agree. I take it that our Boards vould bo only too glad to have any suggestions put before them by their Agents in India as to the action which they may consider necessary for the Boards to take. Persopally speaking I hold the view that my Board will be only too glad to have from me any opinions as to what action should be taken in what I may call tho "impasse" at which we bore arrived. Government ask us to do cortain things, to accept a certain rôlc, and our Boards not having full knowledge of the present circumstances under which we have put this Resolution, hare sent ont these Rules, prepared, as Colonel Burn Murdoch pointed out, practically by General Strachey and accepted by the other Boards en bloc. The way I look at the question is that the Beards felt in considering the question put before them that it would be better-in fact, it was necessary--for ihem to send out to India some proposals in which unanimity was the principal object, and that, failing in that, it would be better to send mone, and that, if none vero sont, they practically stultified themselves. Therefore they were prepared to accept any proposal which trould gain that object. We have now received the rules, and under the conditions at present existing I consider, as Colonel Burn Murdoch also did, that it would be better, in place of half measures, to state distinctly and exactly what our opinions are, and, if possible, to carry the Association or Conferenco trith us. It may be said balf measures are better than nono. I am of opinion that the Roard would be better pleased to get a distinct statement from us as to that the consider to be the proper action to take, than to have sent to them anything in the shape of half measures, that will not assist them in coming to a conclusion, and that in the end they would be grateful to their Agents for attempting to obtain a distinct ruling or opinion from the Conferenco as to the measures which should be adopted. With reference to the amendment which has been proposed, as far as I can understand it, it really attempts only half measures, and that is one reason why I not object to the form in which it is put. Another reason is that it is proposed that the Indian Railway Conference Association be now formed. If we form the Railway Conference Association it is neces. sary for us to go further and elect a President and Secretary. As our late President, ·31 bo weres, pointed out in bis opening speech, it is practically impossible for as to do this, as if the yedertake odly to cany na tbe Traffic Conference which existed until tod 4.-... 11 Bnybody we are to to take, and we sh sball base to appoint an under-study to tbat Sectetary to carry on the work in case of anything happening to him. The difference between the two proposals is therefore large. Our daties towards the Boards are fully protected, as in the origiaal propasuls that were put Lefore us, it was suggested that six months' notre should be given by Government or by any tallmays, parties to the Association, of any proporal wbich was to come ap for discussion. And, again, three months' notice should be gised by the Secrctary to the Railways, afetabers of the Assceiation. In that three months jt would it...ir Boards their viet the sctior ze matter came up proiect ed. If onsider I show DY have me OW como before us. It has been said that Government have given us absolutely no indication of the actiou which they propose to take sbould we decline the splendid oter wbicb tbey kave nade os. With that I cannot agree, Reading betinned the lines of the printed sprech of our late President, I think we cad gather distinctly wbat Government intend to do. Wha 14.1... 22. Tinira + They will say « We have made you an offer ; V. 33 to .. y mogla A. We are not satisfied with the way 19 which the couleLCULO 1135 ULT 1. the nnfaronne he had suficient poreers, zor kave been sufficient in ose to accept the Resola. you do not accept thema, you are not bound by tuen. "Tbiy bas led to a certain amount of cppfusion wbuch wo, as the Government of India, e, as t&e secur partners in practica de tinet interest in Faying wbat railways If you won't form a Consultative of ted, to use the powers watch sa hare." I consider the amendment, as put before us, does not go far enough. That we should do is to give our Boarda some basis to work upon, and in the original Resolution it was proposed that a solucommittee should be appointed and should drait certaio proposals and rules and accept as far as possible the rules already accepted Is the Buards at home, Then the folloring conversation took place. Dr. B. S. Strachey. Is that in order ? Chairman. Try and confine pour remarks more to tlo amendmont, please, Mr. Beckett. Alr. o. Beckell. I would suggest that an addition be made to tho amendment. Chairman. I think ye sbould take it as it stands. Dr. C. Beckett. On the grounds I kayo stated I oppose the amendment os placed before the Association. Mr. T. A. Dring.--Mt. Chairman, rould it be allowed.us, after Ifr. Beckett bas gone rather beyond the matters contained in the amendment, to make a few remarks in ansier to fr. Beckett. Chairmon. I am afraid pote ·32 Mr.R. S. Strachey.-I only wish to say that I understood the discussion on the original proposal was o7er. I would otherwise have been tempted to make a few remarks, Lieut.-Col. J. Burn Murdoch, R. E., then addressed the meeting as follows: I propose, Mr Chairman, to confine my remarks solely and entirely to the amendment. And first of all I must preface them with an acknowledgment of the courtesy with which the mover of the amendment has spoken, and also to espress my satisfaction in noting that from the remarks both of the proposer and seconder it seems we are all very much in agreement, as to our ultimate aims. The idea seems to be that the original proposal was put forward in too crude a form. The proposer of the amendment "in espressing bis agreement with the aims and objects of Colonel Burn Murdoch ” said he would like to put things in a different Tay. The seconder expressed the same idea somewhat more forcibly; he said that he thought the Boards had finally settled the matter, and that it would be dis loyalty on our part to reject the rules as sent out by them. I entirely disagree with that. I believe the original proposal as put forward is an honest and fair way of putting the thing and moreover is in manner strictly correct. I don't think I need say anything more than refer to one important and material point referred to by the proposer of the amendment. He said that as Colonel Wilson had resigned, we must befure we could do any business, form a new Association; otherwise he said there would be a sort of interregnum. Now, gentlemen, this difficulty can be overcome, and that simply by doing what I hinted at, that is that the final discussion of the Board's orders be held in Calcutta in January next and that in the meantime our late President, Colonel Wilson, be asked to continue as President. That would mean a couple of months' delay, and during these two months we would be on the same footing as before. The Cbairman, in concluding the discussion, said :- I think, gentlemen, there is nothing left for me to say. I would simply ask the Association to divide now on the proposals, The voting was as follows: Ayes--55 votes. Noes--32 votes. Votes. Votes 3 7 Assam-Bengal ry. (R. S. Strachey) Bengal and North-Western, Bengal Central and Bengal Dooars rys. (E. A. Neville) Bengal-Nagpur ry. (C. Beckett) Jodhpur-Bikaner ry. (W. Home) 3 . . 8 Nizam's Guaranteed State rys. (W. Pendlebury) Bombay, Baroda and Central India ry. (W. Harvey) 9 Oudh and Rohilkhand and Eastern Bengal State rys. (H, P. Burt) 12 . Calcutta Port Commissioners' ry. (W. A. Dring) East Tudian ry. (T. Douglas) 1 Southern Mahratta ry. (J. Burn Murdoch) 6 10 Great Indian Peninsula ry. (F. T. Rickards) 10 • Madras ry. (E. W. Stoney) 7 Rohilkund and Kumaon ry. (J. Robb) 2 South Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley) 5 [Burma railways (Captain W. A. S. Kincaid, R. E.), North Western railway (Mr. S. Finney) did not vote.] The amendment was carried.

·Resolation No. 4. Votes 33 Proposed by Vajor A. D. G. Sbelley, R.E., seconded by Captain T. A. S. Kincaid, R.E.:- That a sub-committee be formed to consider what modifications in the fandamental rules are becessary in order to give efient de 12 there suggested modificatione, after ace mitted to the Boards individually as in Railway Conference Association, the wi. Nojor A D.G. Sbelloy, R.E., spoke in support of liis proposal as follows: This proposition is a necessary corolla70 in thermo- Reference to a sub-cont consideration in full co in a positiin to decide de asking a sub-committee discharged by the Asso -U sv subg wolar. I think this view is some what over-cautious, for the proposals of a sub-committee are binding od no one, and it is always open for the full conference to reject any recommendation of the sub-committee. The voting was as follows: Ayes---100 rotes. Noctil. Foter. Bengal and North-Western, Bengal Ceztral and Beogal Dooars rys. (E, A. Neville) 8 Bengal.Nagpur ry. (C. Beckett) Bombay, Baroda and Central India Ty. (W. Harvey) 9 Burma rys (W, A. S. Kincaid) 6 Calcutta Port Commissioners' ry. (W. A. Dring) East Ladian sy. (J. Douglas) 10 Great Indian Peninsula ry. (F.T. Rick ards) 10 Jodlipur-Bikater ry. (W. Home) 8 Miz. Madras ry, (E. W. Stoney) 7 Nizam's Guaranteed State ry. (tv, Pendlebury) 4 North Western ry. (S. Fingey) 10 Oudh and Rohilkband and Eastern Ben- 12 gol State rys. (H. P. Burt) 2 2 Rohilkund and Kumaon ry. (J. Robb) Southern Babratta ry. (J. Burn Mur. 6 doch) South Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley) (Assam-Bengal railway (Nr. R. S. Strachey) did not rote] The proposal was carried. 6 The President proposed and iteras agreed unanimously that the two sub. Resolation committees referred to in Resolutions Nos. 3 and 4 respectively should consist No. !. of the follotring gentlemen Sul-commillea referred to in Resolution No 2, (Sub-comnillee No. 21 Chairnos, MIR. E. W, Storey H. P. BORT TV, Houe R. S. STBACOLT A. J. CLARK *** 6. Nemleri, Secretary.

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MR. S. FINNEY
J. DOUGLAS
F. T. RICKARDS
W. HARVEY
LT.-COL. J. BURN MURDOCE, R.E.
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MR, E, A. NEVILLE
C. BECKETT
n A, W. U. POPE
Members
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Secretary.
عیم۔
[Adjourned sine die pending receipt of the reports of the sub-committees.]

·33 Wednesday, the 28th October 1903, 14 45 o'clock. The following were present :- PRESIDENT : Manager, North Western railucay, S. Fixxer, Esq. SECRCTADI: Traffic Superintendent, Oudh and Rohilkhand railioay, 4. M. U. Pore, Iso, DELEOAFS: . . Arram-Bengal railway R. S. STRACHTET, Eq Agent, Bengul and North-Western rail. E A, NEFILLE, Es. Acting Agent tay. E A. NESILLE, Esq. Acting Agert, Rengal ani bengol Dopars railway Hurik-fetora rasinay. Bengal-Nagpur railua: .C. Bernett, Esq. Acting agent op) (kref fu. Street Bombay, Barola and Central 1.II SEVEY, Esq. Aeling Agent {nda railway. Bayma tarlways CAPT 1. A, S, KINCAID, Agent. RE, Calentta Purl Commissioners' rail. W A. Drisc, Esq l'ori CMR (19RER way. Eastern Bengal Slate railway II. P. BEST, ES. Junager, Budd' and Rita Khanit rsiar. East Indian railway J. Nocct, Pen. gert. Grert Indian Peninsxla rorlway. F. T IICKARDS, Ls. Depu'y Agent. Jodhpur-Bukaner railway TV. HAVE, 1'83 Madras tailcay E. W. STONEY, E-, Acting Agent and thanager. Niram's Guaranteed Slate rail. W. REVOLEDCEY, Lsq. Agent and lanager. "y Owl and Rohillhand railway I P Bret, Esa Vinager. Acting front and Choef . Rohilland and humann railway, J. ROBB, Est gistrer, Southern Ifahratta razlicay lr.coz J Brry Mre- Agent. . Maniger . . Гост, к Е South Indian railway 3I 102. D. G, SIELLIT, Agoni. . 11. India sufray. The folloring officers also attended the mecting :- Bengal and North.17'estern ruil. 1, 11ALKER, L-4 Traj". J urger Bengal. Nograr tailoug A. Y CURE, se's Trapír Wunsger. Bombiy, Barodia and Central CAR COMPELIS, P.sh. Ceutel Trice franajer Great Indian t'eninsula ratlay. I. C Rexroui, 1 sq. de in Gereral Trade Vsado ser Daciras railway. D) Ros Jons-04, 14). Tro. Jarr'r. North l'estern railway Is LT-COL CII CATIT, Depuls 314x2ger. R. C.J KIT 2 1',CIE 01. Tro!". Superundemleri. Southern Vohratt railcay T. B. W81031", 1 ; ; Sout! Indian railray T.J, McCrocou, 17 A:n Trupe Justyrr. The prorocủings of thic meetings held ou thc Cth October 1903 tety reset and coulrucd.

·36 Resolation No. 6. The proceedings of Sub-committee No. 2 having been submitted by its Chairman, Mr E. W. Stoney, it was unanimously agreed to accept the resolutions therein embodied, vide Appendix No. 2. In presenting the proceedings, Mr. E. W. Stoney spoke as follows: 1. In presenting to the Conference the report of Sub-committee No. 2, a few words in explanation of the resolutions arrived at seem desirable. 2. The first point for consideration and discission was by wliom shonld the proposed prizes for essays be given, by Government, or by the Indian Railway Conference Association; as on this depends to a large extent our decisions concerning the value of these prizes, hory and by whom the subjects for these should be selected, and by whom tbe essays should be judged, and those selected for prizes determined. 3. Our proposal that the funds for prizes shall be provided by the Indian Railway Conference Association simplifies working, allows of more elasticity, and the more ready alteration of rules from time to time as may be found necessary. 4. It was considered desirable, at all events at first, to throw the competition for these prizes open to all Railway employés, and not to confine it to oflicers, with the object of encouraging subordinates to think for themselves, and take an intelligent interest in their work and problems connected therewith. For similar reasons an age limit has been omitled, as it was considered that scrior officers were not likely to competo ; their time being fully occupid with every-day duties, while if an age limit rere fisel it might possibly bar junior oflicers and others, wlio bad risen from subordinate positions, and were therefore older than men who began their caremos as officers, 5. Our proposals for obtaining suitable subjects for essays will, it is considered, enfure a tride variety to make the final selection from, and will offer, it is hoped, equal opportunities for distinction to the members of cach of the four great Railway Departments, Engineering, Praſiic, Locomotive and Accounts, to win the prizes offered. The money value of these lias bech fixed with a view to make it worth the while of junior officers and clever subordinates to compete, in addition to which is the further incentive that the sioners will become specially distiuguished, and so marked for early advance. ment 6. We have proposed leaving the final selection of the eight subjects to the President and the Secretary of the Indian Railway Conference Association with whom will also rest the making of arrangements for judging the essays. (Adjourned to Thursday, the 29th October 1903, at 14.45 o'clock.]

·37 Thursday, the 29th October 1903, 14-45 o'clock. The folloring were present :- PRESIDENT : Hlanager, North Western railtoay, S. FINXEY, ESQ. SECRETARI: Traffic Superinlendent, Oudh and Rohilkhand railway, A. IV. V. POPE, Esq. DELEGATES : . . . . Assan-Bengal railway RS. STRACAZY, E8. Agent. Bengal and Mortiertera rail. E. A. Neville, Esq. Acting dgeal. way. Bengal Central railery) } . E. A. NzYILLZ, Esq. • Acting Agent, Bengal and North-Western railway. Bengal Nagpur railray C. BECKETT, Esq. Acting Agent and Chief En. gineer. Bombay, Baroda and Central 19. HARVEY, Esq. Acling Agent. India railway. Bermin railroape . CAPT IT. A. S. KINCAID, Agent. R.E. Caleulla Port Commissioners' rail. W. A. Deixo, Esq. A Port Commissioner. way. Eastern Bengal Stale railway II. P. BURT, Esq. Manager, Oudh and Rohile Lhand railway . East Indian railway J. Dorotas, Esq. Agent. Great Indian Peninsula railway F. T. RICKARDS, Esq. Deputy Agent. Jodhpur-Ditaner railway TY. Hoxe, Esq. Ilanager. Hadrar railway E. W STOXey, Esq. Acling Agent and Manager. Agent and Manager Nim's Guaranteed State rail. W. PevoLEDURT, Esq. way. Oudh and Rohilkhard railcay II, P. BURT, Esq. • Jlanager. Rohilkund and lumaon railway J. ROBB, Esq. Acting Agent and Chief Ex. gineer. Southern Mahratta railway. I-COL J. BURY Mue- Agent. South Indian railway. MAJOR A. D G. SHELLEY, Agent. Re. . . . . DOCH, RE. The following officers also attended the meeting Bengal and NortA-TV'estern rail. J. WALKER, Esq. Trafic Manager. woy. Bengil-Nagpur A. M. CLABE, Esq. Acling Traffic Manager, Bombay, Baroda and Central C. A. R. CROMMELIN, Esq. General Traffic Manager. India railguy. Great Indian Peninsula railcay A. C ROMBOLL, Esq. Acting General Traffic Mand. ger. Madras railcay D. Ross-Joussoy, Esq. Trafic Manager. North Western railway Br. LT-Cor. C. H. CITIE, Deputy Manager. R.E C, J. KEEYE, Esq., CI.E. Ofg. Traffic Snperintendent, W. B. TYRIGHT, Esq. Traffic Manager Southern Alahratta railway T. J. McCLOCHY, Esq. . South Indian railway. Acting Trafic Ilanager cedings of the meeting held on the 28th October 1903 mere read ·35 Resolution No. 7. Proposed by Licutenant-Colonel J. Burn Durdoch, R. E., seconded by Jr. 1V. Ilarrer :- That the proccexlings of Sub-committee No. 1 (riile Appendix No. 1) Vc accepod. Amendment proposed by Mr. 1'. T. Rickards :- That ile amendment to the preamble and Rule II be rojectel and the vdition of Clausu I jin) bencepti. The amendment was lost, as no scconder offered. Then Mr. R, S. Strachey spoke as follows :- Mr. Char383X D GENTLEMIN, I bave very little doubt then will lipo practical unanimits in apartins the rules which luu ve been drawn uplay the Subcommitter. I don't know wlither they repres-t the views of the Subculmittere From the terms of the Rosulntion it spumaton mn that Ilves lo not presetrils prigioninnt the vicus of anyone here and 1r nieruly our presion of what we inviertandi are the wishes of the Government. My instructions in part, the files prinzesnt ne five line: ; I may mation that shat I say oppresunt- 11150 OSO VIUN:. 1 1. mutels old tu attend the Conference or send a Delicate My whale information regarling ih malies which I posses: is drawn from pops whih are before the Conference'. The rules which the Board in cont out are ftoh?"Intuintiriles an11 doubtedly bolnien edir. Who we :ste Boss Bloinko is arousing mul on sopranzare med? vof fundamental rule; they are thinly different; tht are new principles intrilled. I sinks, les illes war; ti crgoculante Coloured Burn durdrocolani dir. Bucket on having earlier in the Conference sindik ir viws nincak sily I am eniirely at alisasiu understand what viow's sovered oihtoe lince take. Omitting the por amlile I sjel like to grofor in the first alteration comm hiiore tha Sulic mimi:10, namely, the intestin printhe B 2018 Hlule 1e. It is to the rice that Gocrinient has tule the channel vicmmmnin?iin teen the public and elle Conferille. Tbat doce pot seem to be a sound positinn. If the Assrintion is to live a strong wrly, which creryfirly li'pes it viil. it will be master of its own play and wirno matter is referring it will -ay 1.0" if it does not wish I di-cu-- it. I think it will only taken this p siti in oftlin Conference loy requiring that it communication from thi piblis should be made thruugli Gusernmeut. In ny opinion it will give rise :o a difficult situntiin. Some pullic locy may be interesired in a mattor and Governme: { may not wish it to le rr fried to the Conferener, at the same time the Conference mar 2-1 veilig official opinion of that body conveyed to it without any imperus from the direction of Government. A matter may be referred through Government. Government may send it to the Conference and the Conference may wish, or not visl, co deal with i. Forwarded through Guscrumeni, it -pernus to me that the conference will have to con-ide it. Plus Gorernment nay poris for a formal cini' 11 on some matter og rither the public are interinted in, ilo l'onferuco may give us opinion and Government may iecere that pinion and raply to the pmblic body. That will close the matter for the tim. being, lui if the matter is of urgent public importance it will le lorongkat up :grin and Givernment may then lavro in give a decision in the matter contrary to the opinion already expre:sedly the Conference Association, The public has certain statutory rights and we are the servants of the pollic; if Gore ernment is addressed in a inatter tie rep insibility Tests with Government I think the public will not allow the Government to seek the support of the Conference Association in a marter of this kind. It would lead to jealousy on the part of the public of the position of the Conference As.oristion, and its influence will be weakened and it will not command the confidence of the public which it ougiit to hold. It seems to me that Gorernment must accept full responsibility in a matter mbers they are accountable to the public without consulting us.

·89 If the present constitution of Government is not considered satisfactory, the remedy seems to be to constitute a Railway Board, not Mr. Robertson's Board, wbich is a very drastic affair, as no doubt we all realise. Mr. Robertson hae proposed a Board which is responsible only to the Secretary of State, on the same footing as the Judges in this country; it will not be subject to any influence of tbe Government of India, The Government of India will only advise the Secretary of State. I do not refer to this Beari, but a Board of Government officers which would replace the present administration in the Secretariat. ABC re A Railway Comunission bas never yet been called up, neither the Boards nor Government wish to see it called up. I am quite sure if the public find that there is an alliance between Government and any Association, a Railway Commission will be called up fooner or later and it will be unsatisfactory for ourselves and Government. The second matter I refer to is stated in No. 1 (d) of the amended rales. In this the Association may be considered a consultative Lody, in matters of rates. This in my opinion is the first step in the direction of javit ng Government to take a share in the direct administration of Companies' railways. In important matters of Jailway working we are bound to refer to the Boards in the first place, and I cannot see how any Board can aprove of a system whicb invites as in such matters to take the initiative in consultation with the Government of India. The objects of Goveroment ostensibly are control of rates and restriction of competition. In the early days before miermum rates Frere fixed the railways were given certain rates ; Governmert endeavoured to make Railway Companies regard these rates as absolute. It was desired by the companies to reduce rates in certain instances, such as grrin, coal, and the same with regard to the 3rd class passenger fares. The Government urged the gravity of financial considerations and the importance to Government of the revenue from railway s. The Secretary of State bowever would not admit this argument, but brushed aside the financial question and emphatually said that railways were to be allowed to settle their rates by competition. Those rates were benceforth regarded as on the English principle as maxima rates. The Secretary of State thought that selfinterest would prevent an unreasonable reduction of rates. Then the following conversation took place:- Chairman.– Mfr. Strachey, I srish you would confine yourself to the point at issue. This really seems to be a discussion of railway policy. Ar. Strachey.--It seems necessary to illustrate the grounds on which the Boards have sent us these rules. dir. TV. Pendlebury.--I don't think we can go into all these questions. Dr. E s. Neville I don't think we are making any recommendations to the Boards regarding the rules, there is simply a hypothetical case in question where in certain circumstances the Boards desire to meet the Fishes of Government and the changes that will be necessary. Dr. Strachey,--Mr. Beckett gave a long speech on the first occasion and as I did not speak then I should like to say now what I liad meant to say. Chairman. I don't wish to interrupt you in anything you have to say, but I merely ask you to speak to the point. Will you proceed ? Mr. Strachey continued :- The Secretary of State both on that occasion and sabsequently ruled that fioancial considerations and the position of Government as the Controller of Railways must not be allowed to affect the principle of competition and that Goverament should only interfere in extreme cases. Since then minima rates have been fixed. Mr. Robertson has said that railways are to be developed on commercial lin-g. I do not think Goverament and the Railway Association are to be in league to keep up rates as appears to be the intention, Both in regard to this matter of rates and in the other matters before referred to, Gov. ernment ill have to accept respossibility.

·40 Colonel Burn Mſurdoch has referred to the sceptre which is being offered to us and urgel that we should accept it ; it seems to me very. much as though the Government of India were asking us to wield the sword in its behalf; whether they really intend to offer the sceptre or not I don't know; the public svill insist on the sceptre remaining in the hands of Government, aod it seems to me that the usurping of the functions of Government by the Association will be resented by the public and will weaken the position of the Association. Here Mr. Strachey was interrupted by Mr. Pendlebury who remarked :- This is only your opinion. Mr. Strachey then continued :- In conclusion I will only say that I am animated in my remarks by no antagonistic spirit towards Government. I recognize the excellent work done by Government in the matter of railways. The Association should be formed to recogoize the resfonsibility of the Boards, the interest of the sbore-holders and the claims of the public and to act in sympathy with the Government as far as the conditions permit. Recollect at the last Conference in Calcutta there was a great matter of principle under discussion in Committee of the full Conference for several days; on the day the matter was decided in full Conference, delegates for the most part went round and reversed the principle which had been settled almost unanimously by the Committee. I hope some members of the Committee will consider this incident and be inclined to regard it as a desirable precedent, Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R.E., remarked :- I would like to correct that I think is a misunderstanding on the part of Mr. Stracher. I think he said that the Boards would not like matters being settled out here by their Agents without reference. Ir. Strachey.--I said discussion trith the Government of India before being discussed by their Boards at home. Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R.E., continued :- Mr. Strachey is afraid that the Boards will resent a procedure which would allot of matters being discussed between the Association and Government before the Boards have had their say. Mr. Strachey bas probably not bad time to go into our suggested Rule II which says “Any railway may claim, if it considers it Decessary, sufficient notice to enable it to refer the question to its Board." Then Dr. J. Douglas added :- After the lengthy remarks you have listened to I am sorry to trouble you with any more. I think, however, there is some misapprehension that can be removed. I understand that so far wbat has been done is to form the new Association with the rules as accepted in England as defining its fuoctions. Further we have put forward certain suggestions for the consideratoin of our Boards. It seems to me that plat tre lave done is in no way whatever opposed to the apparent objections which are being taken. The rules sent out to us hare been accepted for the guidance of the Association, and we shall continue to act upon them until they are altered by proper authority. In view of all the circumstances te bad to consider, it is, I think, impossible that we could do less than we bave done and that it only remains now for us to accept the recommendations of the Sub-committee. Mr. W. Harvey terminated the discussion by saying I would wish to draw attention to the fact that, then bringing forward Resolution 3 of Sub-committee No. 1, I spoke almost exactly in the words of Mr. Douglas that I did not wish in any tray to alter the rules given us by the Board, but that my suggestion was, and any votes I might give rould be simply with the view of indicating how the suggestions of Goveroment might be embodied in the rules of the Board. 6 ·11 The original proposal Tas then voted on :- Ages-90 totes. Morn3 roles. 3 1 . Beegal and North-Western, Bengal Agam-Beagal ry. (R. S. Straches) Central and Beogal cours rys (E. A, Neville) 8 Bengal-Nagpur ry. (C. Beckett) 7 Bombay, Baroda and Central India IV. (W. Harvey). 9 Burma ryb. (W. A. S. Kiacand) 6 Calcatta Port Commissioners' ry. (15. A. Dang) East Indian ry. (J. Douglas) 10 Jodhpur-Bickader ry. (11. IIome) 3 Madras ry. (E W. Stoney) 7 Nizam's Guaranteed State rys (Tv. Pendlebury) North Western ry. (S Finney) 10 Oudh and Robilkhand and Eastern Bengal State rys. (II. P. Burts 32 Rohilkund aod Kumaon ry. (J Robb) Southern Mabratta ry. (J. Burn Alur. doch) 6 South Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley). 5 [Great. Icdian Peninsula railway (Jr. F. T. Rickards) did not vote). Tho original proposal 1ca8 carried. 4 2 Resolation No. 8 Proposed by Jr. T. Pendlebury, seconded by alr. J. Douglas: That there shall be an annual general meeting of the Association at euch date and place as may be decided upon at the prerivus mecting Special meetings of the Assoc3• tion may be called by the Secretary in receipt of a requisition signed ly meraber having collectively not less than 30 votes, The proposal vcas carried unanimously. Besolation No. 9. Proposed by Mr. TV. Pendlebury, seconded by Licutenant-Colonel J. Burn Alurdoch, R. , - That a meeting of the Arcociation Le beld in Calcotta on Monday, the first day of Felruary 1904, to the such further sction as may be required by the decrious come to by the various Beards. The proposal tas carried unanimously. Proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Jurdoch, R. E., seconded bg Ecsolation Mr. C. Beckett No. 26. That, in submitting for the consideration of the Nearls the alterations thought resery to meet the wishes of Government, it be frietfully suggested that any etter ptions and improvements in matters of detail mig!! be dealt with ly the mult feeling n the discutico.

·42 The voting was as follows : Noes-Nil. Ayes-47 votes. Votes. Votes. . + Bengal and North-Western, Bengal Central and Bengal Dooars rys. (E. A. Neville) 8 Bengal-Nagpur ry. (C. Beckett) 7 Bombay, Baruda and Central India ry. (W. Harvey) 9 Burma rys. (W, A. S. Kincaid) 6 Nil, Nizam's Guaranteed State rys. (W. Pendlebury) 4 Rohilkund and Kumaon ry. (J. Robb). 2 Soutbero Mahratta ry. (J. Burn Murdoch) 6 South Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley) 5 (Assam-Bengal railway (Mr. R. S. Strachey), Calcutta Port Commissioners' railway (Mr. W. A. Dring), East Indian railway (Mr. J. Douglas), Great Indian Peninsula railway (Nr. F. T. Rickards). Jodhpur-Bikaner railway (Mr. W. Home), Madras railway (Mr. E. W. Stoney), North Western railway (Mr. S. Finney), Oudh and Bohilkhand and Eastern Bengal State railways (Mr. E. P. Burt) did not vote). The proposal was carried. . Resolution No 11. Proposed by Mr. H. P. Burt, seconded by Mr. W. Pendlebury :- That a cordial vote of thanks be given to Mr. H. S. Harington, Agent and Chief Engineer, Kalka-Simla railway, for the kind and comfortable arrangements made by bim for the transport, up and down, of the delegates. Carried unanimously. Resolution No. 12. Proposed by Mr. F. T. Kickards, seconded by Mr. J. Douglas : That in accordance witb paragraph 2 of the preamble to the Rules we proceed to elect: a President from the representatives of the Administrations comprising the Association, and that for the coming year Mr. S. Finney, Manager, North Western railway, be elected President, and that Government be asked to allow Mr. A. R. Jacobson, Officiating Under Secretary, Government of India, Public Works Department, Railways, to act as temporary Secretary on an allowance of Rs. 250 per mensem to be paid by the Association. Carried unanimously. Adjourned to Friday, the 30th October 1903, at 12 o'clock.]

·43 Friday, the 30th October 1903, 12 o'clock. The following were present :- PRESIDENT: Jlanager, North TV estern railroay, S. FINNLY, Esq. SECRETARY: Traſic Superintendent, Oudh and Rohilkhand railroay, A. W. U. POPE, Esq. DELEGATES . . Assam-Bengal railway R.S. STRACHEY, Esq. Agent. Bengal and North-TFestern rail. E. A. Neville, Esq. 4eting Agent. uy. Bengal Central railway ? E. A. NEFILLE, Esq. Acting Agent, Bengal and Bengal Dooars rarlıays north-Festern rarlway. Bengal-Nagpur railway C. BECKETT, Esq. Acting Agent and Chief En. gineer. Bombay, Baroda anil Central W. HARVEY, Esq. Acling Agent. India railway.. Burma railways. CAPT, W A. S. KINCAID, Agent. R.E. Calculta Port Commissioners' rarl- W. A. DRING, Esg.. A Port Comtatsioner way. Eastern Bengal State railway H. P. BURT, E3-1. Dlanager, Oudh and Rokilkhand railway. East Indian railway J. DOUGLAS, Esq. Agent. Great Indian Peninsula railway F T. RICKARDS, Esq Deputy Agent. Jodhpur-Bikaner razlzcay W. Hoxe, Esq. Manager Madras railway E. W. STONEY, Esq.. Acling Agent and lanager. Nizam': Guaranteed State rail. W. PEXDLEBURY, Esq. Agent and Manager. way. Oudh and Rohilkhand railway H. P. Burt, Esq. Manager. Rohilkund and Kumaon railway J. ROBB, Esq.. Acting Agent and Chief En. gineer. Southern Mahratta razlway. LT.-Col. J. BURx Mug- Agent. . . . DOCH, R.E. South Indian railway. JIAJOR A, D, G. SHELLEY, Agent. R.E. The following officers also attended the meeting : Bengal and North- 17 estern rail- J. WALKER, Es Trafic Manager. way. Bengal-Nagpur railway A. M. Clips, Esq. Acting Traffic Janager Bombay, Baroda and Central C. A. R. CONUELIN, Esq. General Trafic lanager. India rariway. Great Indian Peninsula railway. A. C. RUMBOLL, Esq. Acting General Trafic Jana. ger. Bladras railway D. Ross-Johnson, Esq. Traffic Danager. North Western railway Bt. Lr.-Col, C H COWIB, Deputy Manager. RE. C J. KREVE, Eso, C.I.E. Ofg. Traffic Superintendent. Southern Mahratta railway VY. B VRIOET, Esq. Traffic Manager. South Indian railcay T. J. McCLOUCHIN, Esq . Actrag Trafic Manager. . . The proceedings of the meeting held on tho 29th October 1903 ere read and confirmed.

·44 Resolution No. 13. Proposed by Mr. W. Pendlebury, seconded by Mr. E. A, Neville :- That a bonus of Rs. 100 be given to Babu S. C. Lahiri in charge of the printing work of the Association for the efficient manner in which bo las performed his duties, and the President be authorised to expend such sums as he sees necessary for office expenditure and other contiugencies, such espenditure to be passed at the next meeting of the Association. Carried unanimously. The President then stated that he would submit to Government the I'roceedings of the Association and ask for their approval to the alterations in the rules as printed in the annexure to Appendix 1 and draw their particular attention to Resolution No. 10 in which reference is made to the views of Government regarding them. No dissent. Resolution No. 14. Proposed by Mr. J. Douglas, seconded by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R E.:- That a cordial vote of thanks be accorded to Mr. S. Finney, the Chairman, and to Mr. A. W. U. Pope, the Secretary, for the very able and efficient manner in which they have conducted the duties of the meeting. Carried unanimously amid applause. In proposing the vote of thanks, Mr. Douglas spoke as follows:- Gentlemen, I ask you to accord a very cordial vote of thanks to Mr. Finney, our Chair. man, and to Mr. Pope, the Secretary, for the very able and efficient manner in which they have conducted the duties of the meeting (Hear, Hear). I would like to add that I think we are to be congratulated in the appointment of an Officer of Mr. Finney's wide experience and ability as President of the new Association (Hear, Hear). The Chairman, in replying to the vote of thanks, said :- Gentlemen, I beg to thank you on behalf of Mr. Pope and myself for the Resolution which you have just accepted and also for the trouble you have taken in coming here and for the attention you have given to the subjects dealt with ; they are fer in number, but the importance of some of them appears to me to be considerable. Colonel Wilson las dealt at length with the question of the extension of the powers of the Conference, and I feel sure that the proposals and suggestions which we are sending home will receive adequate and, I trust, sympathetic consideration at the hands of the Boards (Hear, Hear). With these remarks, Gentlemen, I will bring the proceedings to an end. A. W.U. POPE, S. FINNEY, 1 Secretary Chairman.

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·47 APPENDIX No. 1. Pide RESOLUTIONS Nos. 4 AND 5 OF THE MEETING OF THE INDIAN RAILWAY CONFERENCE ASSOCIATION HELD ON TIE 26TH OCTOBER 1903. Proceedings of Sub-Committee No 1 held on the 27th, 28th and 29th October 1903. 1st meeting at 11 a. M, on the 27th October 1903. With reference to Resolutions Nos 3, 4 and 5 of the meeting of the Indian Railway Conference Association held on the 26th October 1903, the Sub. Committee met at ll A M. All the members were present, The following officers also attended :- BT.-LIEUTENANT-COLONEL C. H. COWIE, R E. MR. A. CRUMBOLL. C. A, R. CROMWELIX. 17 J. WALKEE. 23 T.J, McCLOUGHIN. 9 W. A. DRING. 9 W. B. WRICHT. After discussion it was decided to read the rules and discuss them seriatim. Bir A. W. U. Pope, the Secretary, proceeded to read the rules. Preomble.-Consideration postponed. Rule I (a).--Proposed by Mr. F. T. Rickards and seconded by Mr. J. Douglas: That no alteration to Rule 1 (@) is needed in order to meet the wishes of Government. Amendment proposed by Mr. W. Harvey and seconded by Lieutenant. Rosolation Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R.E. :- No. 1. That all the words after the word "administration" in i'ne 6 be omittel. The amendment was voted on :- 1 Ayes. Mr. C. Beckett Mr. W. Harvey Lieut-Col, J. Burn Murdoch, R E. 1 . Noes. 1 Mr. E. A. Nevile. 1 Mr. J. Douglas 1 Mr. F. T. Rickards. Mr. S. Finney 3 Major A, D, G. Sheley, RE, 1 1 1 5 The amendment toas lost.

·48 Appendis No. I. The original proposal was thion voted on :- Noes. Ayes. 1 1 Ms, C. Beckett . • Mr. E. A. Neville. 1 1 Mr. W. Harvoy . Mr. J. Douglas ) 11 Licut. Col. J. Burn Murdochi, R.E. Mr. F. T. Rickards. 1 11 Mr. S. l'inney 1 Major A. D. G. Shelley, KL.E. 5 The original proposal 2008 carried. Resolution No. 2. Rule I (b).- Proposed by Blr. TT. Harrey and secondců by Jajor A. D. G. Shelley, R.E. :- That no alteration is needed to Rulc I (b) to give clicct to the wishes of Government, it being understool that public bodies are not precluded from referring to thic Association through Government. The proposal was voled on and carried unanimously. Resolution No. 3. Rule I (c).- Proposed by Mr. J. Douglas and seconded by Mr. F. T. Rickards :- That Rule I (c) stand and that the following be suggested as an addition as Rule I (cl): Similarly, at the instance of Goveroment, the Association may consider any questinos involving rates which have general applicability and tendor advice tu Government regarding the same. The proposal was carried unanimously. Mr. S. Finney dre the attention of the Committec to the instructions of the Association contained in the second part of Resolution No. 3 and pointed out the necessity for provision being made for the same in the rules. Mr. F. T. Rickards stated that, with refcrence to Mr. Finney's remark, he would suggest for the consideration of the Sub-Committee that the preamable to Rule I and Rule I () sufficiently proride for the requirements of Goveroment as indicated in Resolution No. 3 passed yesterday, the words "management of traffic interchanged bctween railways" being sufficiently all-embracing to include such matters as are indicated in paragraph 6 of Colonel Wilson's address, Resolution No.4. Licutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R.E., then proposed and Major A. D. G. Shelley, K E., secondedim That the 2nd part of Resolution No. 3 be met by a new Rule II sorded as follotys: The Association should also undertake the functions of a Consultative Committee to wbich Government as well as railways, parties to the Association, could submit qnestions relating to railway admioistration for opinion and advice, and in . submitting such opinion and advice the proceedings leading up to the conclusion come to may also be enclosed. Any railway may claim, if it considers it necessary, sufficient notice to enable it to roſer the question to ils Board.

·49 Appendix No. 1. - . 1 The proposal Fas Foted on :- Azes. dr. E. A, Neville Mr C. Beckett Mr. F. Hiarvey . Mr S. Finney Lieut. Col. J. Burn Murdoch, R. E Bajor A D. G. Shelley, R. E. 1 1 1 1 6 (Mr. J. Douglas and Mr. F. T. Rickards did not vote ] The proposal toas carried, It was unanimously agreed that Rule II be Rule III. Resolution No 5 It was unanimously agreed that no alteration to give effect to the wishes of Resolation No. 6. Government is reeded to Rulo II (a) and (b) which become III (a) and (0) respectively. It was unanimously agreed that no alteration to give effect to the wister of Resolution Gorernment is needed to Rule III (a), (6) and (c) which become IV (m), 16) No. 7. and (c) respectively, IV, which becomes V, V which becomes VI, VÌ which becomes VII, VII which becomes VIII, VIII which becomes IX It was unanimously agreed that the rules as proposed for revision by these Resolution resolutions be printed and circulated to the nem No 8. • Tide sonerure to this Appeadır. bers of the Committee, the rules being printed on one half of the p ge and the proposed alterations on the other half of the page. 2nd meeting at 3 p.m., on the 28th October 1903. Those present were the same as in the meeting held at 11 a.m. The preamble to the Rules adopted by the Boards having been read, it Resolution tras proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Burdoch, R.E., and seconded by No. 9. Dr. C. Beckett:- 41,- how manninn mith the words “The Association mitted and the following Subject is constituted to frame or ercbanged between railways, Committee and as a Board The Resolution was voted on- Ayes. Noer, BIr. W. HARVEY. 1 1 LIECT.-COL. J. Buen MURDOCH, R.E.. 1 ME. F. T. RICKARDS 1 Major A. D. G. SHELLY, R.E. 1 MR S. FIXNEY MR C BECKETT. 5 [Mr. J. Douglas and Mr. E. A. Nevillc did not vote.] The Resolution was carried.

·50 Appendix No. 1. The Chairman then read the following extract from paragraphs 3 and 4 of letter No. 61, dated the 2nd Septembor 1903, from Colonol G. F. Wilson, R.E., President of Railway Conference (Appendix I of thc Prococdings of the Rail. way Conference held on the 20th Octobor 1.03) * * * It s-cms essential for the Association to be so organized as to have separato sub-coinniti ees composed of cxperts in cach department of the railway, viz., Audit, Engincering, Locomotive and Tratlic. Questions which are now referred to the present Locomotive Committee would be dealt with by the Locomotive Sub-committee of the Association. Similarly, questions relating to other Dep:rtments wou.d be considered by the sub-committee interested. 4. Among the questions which are not pending, and which in duc course will be placed before the Association, arc- (i) the introduction of largo-capacity block; (ii) the standardisation of locomotives ; (ii) the establishment of a central clearing house; (iv) the revision of the General Rules for working railways." The Chairman proposed to record this cxtract and to note that thic Subcomnittce were of opinion that it was inadvisable to take action in the matter until the views of the Boards regarding the revised rules were received. Mr. F. T. Rickards then spoke as follows :- If this question is put before the Boards in the above form, my I clief is that, without further explanation, they will not understand for what purpose such Sub-Committees are to be appointed. In past Conferences sub-committees have been appointed to framo proposals on spe. cial subjects; but want sort of sub-committ«es are intended tog Government, and what questions are to bu referred to thrin I do not know. For instance, take tlie question of the revision of the general rules, in which both Locomotive and Engiurering oſlicers arr cincurned; I presume that, when thnt subjcut is to be dis, cussed, Locomotive and Bugmert oflivers would be brought up by inembers of tho Association to advise on ilus portons of the subject under reference which affect their Departıncıts. With regard to tlic establishmrnt of a Central Clearing lourd, which is to some extcat traffic question, I presume it would be necessary for the Acsociation to scck the advice of Audit officers. What the special sub-committees of Audit, Engineering, Locomotivc and Traffic officers are for, I do not coinprchend, nod I beliсre the Boards do not quito understand how far-reaching this proposal is. Without further explanation I do not think that the forwarding of this extract to the Boards would do much good. As regards the standardisation of locomotives, we know that the Consulting Engineers ut home have been going into this question largely, and I believe we are to get some report on the subject before very long. Brevet Colonel W. V. Constable, RE, in his letter to Colonel G. F. Wilson, R.E., which is printed as Appendix VI to tlic Proceedings of Railway Confrrence beld on 2011 Octubis 1903, says standardisation" means means " stagnation"; I agree with him that at present tbis would be fo. At this moment, wben sc are considering the question of heavier engines and such matters, I think it is premature for the Association to consider the question of sandardisation of locom, tives, Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R. E., proposed, and Mr. O. Beckett seconded: That the Chairman's suggestiou be accepted and Mr. Rickards' remarks bo recorded. The proposal was carried unanimously. that « Resolution No. 10. Resolution No. 11. Lieutenart-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R.E., proposed and Mr. C. Beckett seconded : That the proceedings of the Sub-committee be submitted, on confirmation, to the full Association for acceptance. Carried unanimously.

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Appendix No. 1.
3rd meeting at 2.45 P.M., on the 29th October 1903.
Those present were the same as in the meeting held on the 18th October
1903.
Proposed by Licutcoant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R E., seconded by Resolation
Alr, C. Beckett
No. 12.
That the proceedings of the previous meetings held on the 27th and 28th October 2003,
be confirmed
The proposal tras carried unanimously.
Tho proceedings oro confirmed at the 3rd meeting on the 29th October
1903, at 2-15 P.1., and submitted to the Indian Railsas Conferenco Associa.
tion for acceptance.
A. TV. U, POPE,
Secretary,
8. FINNEY,
Chairman,

·52 ANNEXURE TO APPENDIX No. 1. Rules of the Indian Railway Conference Association. Alterations and additions suggested for the consideration of the Boards. Rules as passed by the Home Boards. The Indian Railway Conference No alteration. Association, bereinafter designated the Association, shall consist of all Railway Administrations in British India that intinnate their desire to join it, each of thom sball be represented at its meetings by one delegate. It shall elect annually a President Ditto. from the representatives of the Ad. ministrations composing it, and may appoint a paid Secretary and necessary office establishment on terms to be settled by a majority of votes. The Association is constituted to Subject to the following funda. frame, in the manner hereinafter pre-mental rules, the Association is constiscribed, regulations for the manage- tuted to frame or modify regulations for ment of traffic interchanged between the management of traffic interchanged the railways represented in the Associa- between railways, parties to the Associ. tion, subject to the following funda- ation, and to act as a Consultative mental rules :- Committee and as a Board of Arbitra. tion. I.-(a) The Association may frame No alteration, regulations for the management of the administrative details of traffic interchanged between the railways represented in the Association--for which it shall be agreed that the practice of Indian railways should be uniform including the fixing of charges for transhipment, use and misuse of vehicles, demurrage, etc., but such regulatious shall not extend to the fixing of rates or fares or any matters of internal administration which shall remain under the complete and exclusive control of the several railways represented in the Association. (6) The Association may consider Ditto. at the instance of Government, or of any railways represented in the Association, questions of railway management affert. ing the mutual relations between the railways themselves, and also between the railways and the Government, such questions not involving matters falling within the provisions of their respective contracts with the Secretary of State. (c) Any of the members of the Ditto. Association may submit for consideration proposals relating to rates and fares, including the division of through rates, designed to take effect on rail. ways represented in the Association; but any opinion of the Association which shall be recorded, and any regulation made, shall become operatire on such a proposal only so far as it shall be agreed to by the representatires of those railways to which it would apply, and on an agreement being thus come to, it shall be binding on the consenting railways, 1 ·63 Annexure to appendix No. 1. Rules as passed by the Home Boards Alterations and additions suggested for the consideration of the Boards. (d) Similarly, at the instance of Government, the Association may consider any questions involving rates which have general applicability and tender advice to Government regarding tlo same. II.-Tho Association should also undertake the functiops of a Consultative Committee to which Government as well as railways, parties to the Association, could submit questions relating to railway administration for opinion and advice, and in submitting such opinion and advice the proceed. ings leading up to the conclusion come to may also be enclosed. Any railway may claim, if it considers it necessary, suficient notice to enable it to refer the question to its Board. II.-(a) The Association may act Becomes III (a). as a Board of Conciliation, under regu. lations to be made by it for the appoint. ment of an Arbitrator or Committee of Arbitration, for the settlement of differences that shall ariso between rail. ways represented in the Association on matters governod by the regulations of the Association, or relating to obligations by tbich any such railway is bound, under the provisions of Rule I, clause (c). (6) The Association may also act, under similar regulations, as a Board of Conciliation on any other matters then so desired by any of the parties interest. ed in such settlement. III.(a) Not less than six months' previous notice must bo given in writing to the Secretary of the Association, and not less than three months' previous notice by the Secretary of the Associa. tion to tho members before any proposal under Rule I is submitted to the Association for consideration. III (ö). 23 IV (a). 31 IV (6). IV (C). (6) For the consideration of all questions falling within the scope of Rule 1, two-thirds of the railways represented in the Association shall form a quorum. (c) The Secretary of the Associa. tion shall communicate to the Agents or Managers of all railways represented in the Association, at their usual residence in India, all notice of matters to be brought before the Association -1..- millonpiratha neocaril. 17 ·Annesiu'o lo appendix No. 1. 5:1 Nulcs as rarach by the Ilona Bontda. Alterations and nillitinns ingen trd for tho enn. Hidumtion of the Boards, IV.-Tho roting power of the Becomes V. railways ropresented in the .lssociation shall be calculatce on the basis agreed to at the last Railway Conference in 1900. The conditions of Rules 111 (a) and (v) shall apply to all proposals for modifying the voting power of all railways, as well as for fixing suci power in the cront of an additional railway joining the Association. V.-A majority of not less than VI. turec-fourtlis of tlic total mumber of rotes of tho railways present at any meeting of the Associntion shall be rcquisite for the alteration of, or addition to any regulations of the Association. VI.--Any railway representcil in the Association may, twelve months after giving notice in writing to the Secretary of the Association of ith intention so to do, withdraw from the Association, or withdraws its 25crni after suclı notinc to any regulation that has been twelve months in opera. tion, and thereafter such regulation shall no longer bc binding on it. VII.--The necessary expenses of VIII. the Association shall be borne by Kail. way Administrations represented in the Association in the same proportions as their respective voting powers. VIII.-Tho regulations of the IX Railway Conference, os rerisce at thcir meting in 1900, shall be regarded as regulations of the Association until or so far as any of them shall have been modified under the propisions of tlıcsc rulcs.

·55 APPENDIX No. 2. Vide RESOLUTIONS Nos. 2 AND 3 OF THE MEETING OF THE RAILWAY Cox. FERENCE ASSOCIATION IELD ON TIE 26TII OCTOBER 1903. Proceedings of Sub-committee No 2, hold on the 27th and 28th October 1903. PRESENT : V2, E. 1V. STOREY (Chairman). Me, H. P. BORT. ME. W. HOJE. MR. R. S. STRACHEY, MB. A. M. CLARK (Secretary). 1st prize . 2nd » 3rd ... 1. Resolved that it is desirable to encourage the study of Indian railway problems by awarding annual prizes for the best essays to be submitted by any member of the staff on the several railways in this country, members of the Indian Railway Conferenco Association. 2. Resolved that it is not considered accessary to fix any age limit, as it is considered probable that senior officers, who hayo other opportunities of ex. pressing their vious, will not compete. 3. Resolved that funds should be provided at the expense of the Indian Railway Conference Association for the following prizes : Rs. 300 and a silver medal, 200 and a bronze medal. 100 4. Resolved that it shall be left to the Agents and Managers of the ralltrays comprised in the Association to submit azzually to the Secretary of the Indian Railway Conference Association a list of eight subjects, two each con. cerning the following: (a) Traffic working; (6) Locomotives, Machinery and Rolling Stock; (c) Engineering; (d) Accounts. the combined lists the President and Secretary of the Indian Railway Conference Association shall make a final selection of eight subjects, two from each of the above on which essays shall be invited. 11- T-lian Railway asider neces- The proceedings of the Sub-committee were confirmed on the 28th October 1903, and it was unanimously resolved to submit them to the Indian Railway Conference Association for adoption. A. M. CLARK, E. Y. STONEY, Secretary. Chairman. 28th October 1903.

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·RAILITAY CONFERENCE, 1903. Proceedings of the Conference of Rarlroay Delegates assembled at Simla on Monday, the 26th October 1903. Monday, the 26th October 1903, 11 a.m. The following were present:- PRESIDENT: Director of Railway Traffic, COL. G. F. TILSON, R.E. . } SEORETARY: ofg. Under Secretary, Railroay Traffic. A. R. JACOBSON, Esq. DELEGATES: Assam-Bengal railway R, S. STRACHEY, Esq. Agent. Bengal and North-IVestern rail. E. A. NEVILLE, Esg. Acting Agent. way. Bengal Central railway* E. A, NEVILLE, Esq. Acting Agent, Bengal and North-Western railway. Bengal-Nagpur railway C. BECKETT, Esq. Acting Agent and Chief Engineer. Bombay, Baroda and Central IT. HARVEY, Esq Acting Agent. India railway. Burma railways CAPT Y, A. S. KINCAID, Agent. RE Calcutta Port Commissioners' rail. W. A. DRING, Esq. A Port Commidstoner, to ay.* Eastern Bengal Stale railway* H. P. Brer, Esq. Manager, Oudh and Rokilkhand railway East Indian railway J. Dotatas, Esq. Agent. Great Indian Peninsula railway F.T RICKARDS, Esq. Deputy Agent Jodhpur-Bikaner railway WY. Hoxe, Esq. Manager, Aladras Talway E. WY, STONEY, Esq. Acting Agent and Manager. Nisam's Guaranteed Stats rail. W. PENDLEBURY, Esq. Agent and Manager, way. North Western railway S. Fixxer, Esq. Manager. Oudh and Rohilkhand railway HP Burt, Esq. Alanager. Rohilkund and Kumaon railway. J. ROBB, Esq. Acting Agent and Chief Engineer. Southern Alahratla railway Lt. Col. J. Buen MOB. Agent. South Indian railway MAJOR A. D. G, SHELLEY, Agent. R.E. . . bocy, R.E. The following officers also attended the meeting :- Bengal and North-Vesteru rail. J. VALKER, Esq. Trafic Manager.) way. Bengal-Nagpur railway A. M. CLARX, Esq. Bombay, Baroda and Centrai C.A. R. CRONKELIX, Esq. General Trafic Manager. Acting Traffic Janager. India railicay. Great Indian Peninsula railway. A. C. RUMBOLL, Esq. Acting General Traffic Manager, Madrat railway. D. Ross-Johxsox, Esq. • Traffic Manager. North Western railway Bt. Ir.-Col. C. H. COWIE, Deputy Manager, R.E. C. J. Keesz, Esq., C. 1. E. 09. Trafic Superinten. dent. Oudh and Rodelkhand railway A. W. U. Pope, Esg. Traffic Superintendent, Southern Mahratta railway. W. B, WBIGHT, Esq. Trafic Janager. South Indian railway. T. J. McCLOUGEIS, Esq. dcfing Trafic Manager. • Tide Aprenda TIL ·+ 2 The President, in opening the proceedings, spoke as follows :- GENTLEDIEN, The present meeting has been convened in response to my Conference letter* No. 61, dated the 2nd September * Appendix I. 1903, for the twofold purpose of giving me the opportunity of laying down the reins of office and enabling you to undertake the duty of inaugurating the ner INDIAN RAILTAY CONFERENCE ASSOCIATION, which is about to take the place of the old Railway Trafic Conference, and to appoint a President and a Secretary in connection therewith. 2. It is not proposed to ask you at this meeting to discuss any other ques. tions than the above, with the exception of one small matter "The eucouragement of the study of Indian railway problemas," which, at the request of the Secretary to Government, bas been placed on the agenda with a view to eliciting an expression of your opinion as to whether there would be any advantage in establishing amongst the superior staff of the railways in this country, cither collectively or individually, a competition † Appendix II. similar to thatt instituted on the Great Northern railway at Howe in order to encourage a study of tbe various railway problems which are constantly presenting themselves. 3. Although the business to be transacted at this miccting is to be confined to merely the formation of the new Association, and the viows held by Government of the proper functions of this newly formed body aro contained in my Conference letter No. 61, still there are one or two points not brought forward in that letter regarding which, with your permission, I should like to say something 4. I bare bad a statement; prepared sherring in juxtaposition, (i) the proposals as accepted by the 1902 Con. I appendis III, ference, (ii) the proposals which cre made by the President in submitting to Government the proceedings of the Conference of 1902 for the formation of a permanent conference independent of Government, with a paid Secretary and a President elected by yourselves, and (iii) the proposals as revised and finally accepted by the London Boards of the Indian railway companies. You will remember that I suggested at the 1902 Conference w " the advisability of the Boards of all the Indian railways in London holding a small conference amongst themselves to decide what suggestions, if any, they should make as a body in regard to the proceedings of this the 1902) Conference, and thus obriate the difficulties that would arise from each Board boping possibly a few remarks to make about points of minor importance wybich would make it difficult hereafter to come to any unanimous settlement out here. The suggestion was adopted and the revised proposals of the London Boards are given in column 3 of the statement, besides forming an enclosure to Railway Conference Memorandum No. 62 of the 2nd September last. What I wish to confine my remarks to now are the main points of difference between the proposals as framed by the 1902 Conference and as accepted by the Boards. 5. The first point to notice is that, while the delegates attending the 1902 Conference proposed that the new " Association” (as the London Boards have decided to call it) should be empowered to consider all questions including questions of through rates and fares, referred to it by Government, railways parties to the Association, or public bodies, the London Boards propose that Forly llembers of the Association may submit for consideration proposals relating to rates and fares but that shall be recorded, and any regulation made, shall become operative on such a proposal oply so any opinion of the Association which far as it shall be agreed to by the representatives of those railways to which it would apply." So far as Government is concerned it is suggested that the Association may consider at their instance ".questions of railivay inapagement affecting the mutual relations between the railways themselves, and also between the railways and the Government, such questions not involving matters falling witbin the provisions of their respective contracts with the Secretary of State. It will thus be observed that while the Boards exclude the submission by Government for the opinion of the Association questions of specific through >> ·3 . is hoped rates and fares, ti Lestions & maxima and minim that the Agents of y to im. pressing on their Boards the desirability of including amongst the matters admissible for consideration all references by Government regarding questions involving rates which hare general applicability and of the tendering of advice by the Association 6. There is another point, and it is a very important one, to whiclı I wish to draw your attention. I refer to the remarks made in paragraph 3 of my Conference letter No 61. You have to determine whether your newly constituted Conference Association is to remain a purely traffic conference, as it bas been in the past, or is to bave the scope of its duties extended in the e committec traffic, but Itrays them. selves, could submit all manner of questions relating to railway administration for opinion and advice. In other words you have to consider whether you will give effect to the decision you came to unanimously at the Conference of 1902 as expressed in Resolution No. 10 This has to be, and is, done now to each railway individually through the several Consulting Engineers or through one of the Government Directors, but only at the expenditure of much time and labour, and surely it would be much more satisfactory for all parties, railway administrations themselves as well as Government, and would greatly tend to the more prompt despatch of business, to be able to submit these questions to the whole body of railıray repiesentatives collectively, trbose joint opinion tould be submitted to Gorernment instead of as nov individually. I do not wish to dictate to you the manner in which technical questions relating to different departments should be dealt with. It would be sentence of paragrapa u ul muy roller i u. U. natania --- 11 bare a direct bcaring on the quespermanent officers elected to fill the i If the Indian Railway Conference Association is to do nothing more than take the place of the old Pailmay Traffic Conference, its powers have been so limited by the Boards to deal with traffic matters that the mere recording of the proceedings is all that need be provided for, and neither the President nor Secretary need be a man of exceptional expert knowledge. e---indonu ir nuvared to assume the more onerous me, its organization must be of nt oficial, whether he be the insire and exceptional knowledge and a person in whom 'everyone will hare the fullest confdencc. llis duty will be not only to prepare the cases referred to the Association and to collect opinions and report decisions, but to constantly look after the interests of Indian railways generally, to endeavour to get all disabilities remorce, whether they are caused by the action of Government or local bodies, the law courts, musicipalities, etc., and so make the Association a power that cannot be ignored. 7. It only remains for me to formally resign my position of cr-officio President of your late Traflic Conference, which I do with estreme regret as it has always been a pleasure to me during the two years I have been rour President to associate myself with you. I ask you not to elect a Chairman and a Secretary to conduct the proceed. ings of your present conference. When your permanent prid Secretary has been appointed add his head. quarters have been decided upon, all the Railway Conference records pour in-this Secretariat sill be made oror to him.

·4 8. Gentlemen, you have all had an opportunity of reading the main portion of my address, so I suppose I may take as read such portion as has been in your hands. (No dissent). 9. I have only a few additional remarks to make, mainly to draw your special attention to paragraphs 5 and 6 of that address, As regards the question of including through rates and fares among the matters which may be submitted to the now Association for advice by Government(I may here mention that the term “Government” would include the new Railway Board, should the results of Mr. Robertson's Report be to call such a Board into existence). I would ask you to read again the remarks that I made in my opening address at the Conference of 1902, especially in paragraplı 10 (c) of that address. I must say that I fail to see liow it could be anything but an advantage to you, to your Boards and to Government that the advice of the new Association should be sought on all questions of changes of through rates or faros which affect the interests of your lines collectivcly. I sincerely hope you will be able to see your tray to recommending to your Boards a reconsideration of their proposals on this point. 10. As regards paragraph 6 of my address, the question raised is a very important one. The appointment of a permanent Secretary and the salary that he would draw would depend entirely upon the decision you come to thereon. In fact, the point is this, you have to decide whether you will remain nerely a Trallic Conference as hitherto or whether you will be prerared to accept the extended role that Gorernment are anxious to confer upon you and become an Association of real importance; a consultatire body whose joint opinion would carry such weight that it would be diſlicult, or almost impossible, to resist it. I may say that this would have still greater force from the point of view of the new Board, if it crer comes into cxistence; for if the new Board is created the probability is that one or two members may be recruited altogether from outside India. They will therefore come to this country absolutely ignorant of India, of the methods of Indian Railway Administration and of the economic conditions of the country, and I am quite sure that they themselves would be only too pleased to have such an Association arailable at hand to whom they might apply for advice and assistance, at any rate, during the first few years of their existence. 11. In my conference letter No. 61, paragraph 4, I sketched out the nature of the questions which Government srpendix I. were desirous should be put before the new Association for opinion. To this I may add one more, a case which I bave before me, i. e., the introduction of some system of Automatic Coupling. This is a question which must crop up in the near future, since the introduction of more powerful engines and heavier train loads will necessitate a reconsideration of the standard type of screw coupling. There is in the Bulletin of the Indian Railway Congress for August 1903 a description of such a coupling, and if any gentleman wishes to see it I shall be glad to show him the paper. This is a fitting question for your new Association to take up and deal with, should you decide to absorb into your body the present Committee of Locomotive Superintendents. 12. Gentlemen, I have no further remarks to make except to formally lay down my Presidentship of the old Traffic Conference and to ask you to elect a Chairman and a Secretary to conduct your present proceedings. Mr. J. Douglas, in proposing a vote of thanks to the retiring President, spoke as follows:-- GENTLEMEN, I am afraid our first duty is not altogether a pleasant one,--I mean taking leave of our old President, Colonel Wilson. The proposal for a permanent conference independent of Government has emanated from bimself so that in regard to this leave-taking we have, I think, rather a grievance against him, ·5 During the time that we have attended past conferences I think you will all admit that Colopel Wilson has led us with ability, patience and courtesy. I would ask you to place our deep sense of this on record. I would therefore formally propose that we recognise in this manner the ability, tact, patience and courtesy with which Colonel Wilson bas presided over the Conference during the time he has been associated with it. BIr. W. Pendlebury in seconding the above resolution said :- I have great pleasure in seconding this resolution. I am sure that we are all very much indebted to Colonel Wilson for his kind courtesy and assistance during the period he has presided over our meetings, and I only hope that whoever is elected as the new President will exercise the same patience and tact which he has displayed when we have had Jittle controversies on various matters, I do not think in secooding the resolution that I can say more than Mr. Douglas has expressed. The President, in replying to the vote of thanks, spoke as follows:- I rise to thank you leartily for the exceedingly kind way in which Mr. Douglas has proposed his resolution which Mr. Pendlebury hos seconded, and for the terms which have been used with reference to my conduct of atfairs as your late President. It has always been to me an extreme pleasure, and I may say pride, to have been associated with the representatives of the railways which form this great Indian railway system. I may add when I mention this great Indian system that, Mr Robertson notwithstanding, the Indian system, judged by results, is second only to one and that is the German system, and Mr. Robertson himself tells us that it is by our results that we are to be judged. The meeting then terminated.

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·7 APPENDIX I. No. 61, dated Simla, the 2pd September 1905. from-COLONEL G. F. WILSON, R.E., President, Railway Conference, TomThe Agents, East Indian, Great Indian Peninsula, Bombay, Baroda and Central India, Bengal and North-Western, Southera Mabratta, South Indian, Assat-Bengal and Burma railways; the Agents and Chieł Engineers, Beogal-Nagpur. Bengal Central, and Robilkund anu Kumnon railsays; the Agents and Managers, Madras and the Nizam's Guaranteed State railways; tha Managers, North (Vester, Ondh and Rohilkhand, Eastern Bengal, Jodhpur-Bikaner and Udaipur-Chitor railways; the Manager and Engineer in-Chief, Bharadagar-Gondal-Jugagad-Porbaridar railway; the Secretary, Calcutta Port Commissioners' failway. In continuation of telegram No. 6 dated the 2nd September 1903, from the Secretary, Railway Conference, [To Msdras redesy only 1 I bave the honour to inform you that rail. way administrations hare agreed to the meeting being held at Simla, and, owing to the inability of some administrations to attend about the middle of the mouth, Monday, the 26th October 1903, has been fixed for the first day. The meeting will be held in the office of the Public Works Department Secretariat and open daily at 11 a.si, 2. As stated in the Secretary's telegram No. 62, dated the 17th August 3903, the business to be transacted will be the formation of tbe Indian Railway Conference Association, and the election of a President and a Secretary. It will be observed from the rules adopted by the Boards of Directors of the several railway companies that the Association will bare tureo entirely distinct functions, viz. : (a) to frame by general agreement regulations for the management of traffic; (6) to consider questions submitted for opinion by the Government of India or any member of the Association ; (c) to act as a Board of conciliation between members of the Association; and it will be for the meeting to decide bow these duties are to be performed. 3 As regards (a), the draft rules in question define the duties and the powers of the Association, and they appear to be adequate for the present; but (6) and (c) will require further consideration. In respect to the former it is considered that the Association should endlearour to exercise the samo functions and responsibilities in respect to railways as the Chamhers of Commerce do to commerce, and that it should be prepared to advise the Gorerement of India ansi, if desired, its owo members also, on all questions affecting railway working which may be referred to it. For this purpose it seems essential for the Association to be so organized as to have separate sub-committees composed of experts in each department of the railway, viz., Audit, Engineering, Locomotive and Traffic Questions which are now referred to the present Locomotive Committee would be dealt with hy tle Incomotive Sub-Committee of the Association. Similarly, questions relat. ing to other Departments would be considered by the sub-committee is. terested. 4. Among the questions fhich are now pending, and which in due course will be placed before the Association, are (i) the introduction of largo-capacity stock; (ii) the standardisation of locomotives ; (iii) the establishment of a central clearing house ; (lv) the revision of the General Rules for trorking railways.

·Appendis I. S Such questions tould necessarily be considered at joint meetings by each of the sub-committees interested. 7. If it is decided to work the Association on these lines, the selection of a paid Secretary will require much greater consideration than if there is to be little more than an annual Traffic Conference. Since without applicants for the post it will be difficult to select a Secretary, I would suggest that the appointment be made known to the staff under your orders, and that any applications received by you may be brought up for consideration at the coming meeting. 6. I shall be glad to receive the name (s) of the delegate (s) trho will represent your railway at the conference. No. 02, dated Pod September 1903. Enderged by the Secretary to the Railway Conference, Copy, with a copy of the telegrams referred to and of the rules of the pro. posed Indian Railway Conference Association agreed to by the Home Boards of the several Indian railway companies, is forwarded, for information, to the Agent and General Manager, Dibru-Sadiya railway; the General Mana. ger and Chief Engineer, Darjeeling-Ilimalayan railway; the Jlanager and Esecutire Engineer, Morvi railway; the danger and Chief Engineer, Bengal Dooars railway; the Resident Engineer and Agent, Barsi Light railway • Ouit the portion within brackets to Versi ad (in case the railway administration is Begal Dccary railways. desirous of joining the Association). Telegraal No. 52, dated 17th August IFOS. From--The Secretary, Railtras Conference, To-The Agents. Fast Irdian, Great Irciso Periosula, Bombar, Baredz ard C-Dtral India, Bengal and North-Western, Southero librutta, South India, Assum-Bengal, and Burmz railways; the Agents acu Cbmi Engineers, Bengal-Xagfar, Bengal Central, and Robilkurd ard Koma ramas; the Agents and Jacagers, Jadras and the Nizur's Guarzetfed State railtrays; the Janagers, North Western. Obh ard Rohilkcard. Eastern Beobal, Jodbyur-Bikauec aod Udaipa-Chitor mailmas; the Manager acd Engineer-in-Cbief, Bh:rramar-Gondal-Jona-Pucturda: railway; ce Secretary, Calcutta Port Commissichers' railway. Please vire thether middle of October best suits you for uolding meeting at Simla to form Railway Conference Association, and elect President and Secretary. Telegram No. 59, dated 2nd September 1903. From-The Secretary, Railway Conference, To The Agent and Manager, Madras railmay, Conference meets 26th prosimo. Till last about a week. Letter follows. Telegram No. 60, dated 2nd September 1903. From-The Secretary, Railway Conference, To_The Agents, Fast Indian, Great Indian Peciosula, Bombay, Baroda and Central India, Bengal and North-Western, Suuthern Mahratta, South Iodizo, Assam-Bengal, and Burma railways; the Agents 3rd Chief Engineeri, Bengal-Nagpur, Bengal Central, and Robilkund ard Lumaca railwars; the Agent and Manager, the Nizam's Guaranteei State railway; the Vanagers, North Western, Oudh ard Rohilkhand, Eastern Becgal, jodhpar- Bikaner and Udaipur-Chitor railways; the Manager aod Engineer-in- Chief, Bbarnagar-Gondal-Junagad-Porbardar railway; the Secretary, Calcutta Port Commissioners' railway. Ny telegram numbered god dated as follows:-52, 17th ultimo. 26th proximo fised for first day of meeting. Letter follows.

·9 Appendix I. Rules of the Indian Railway Conference Association, , The Indian Railway Conference Association, hereinafter designated the Assaciation, shall consist of all Railway Administrations in British India that intimate their desire to join it, each of whom shall be represented at its meetings by one delegate. It shall elect annually a President from the representatives of the Administrations composing it, and may appoint a paid Secretary and necessary office establishment on terms to be settled by a majority of yotes. The Association is constituted to frame, in the manner hereinafter prescribed, Regulations for the management of traffic interchanged between the railways represented in the Association, subject to the following fundamental rules: I.-(a) The Association may frame regulations for tbe management of the administrative details of traffic interchanged between the railways represented in the Association-for which it shall be agreed that the practice of Indian railways should be uniform—including the fixing of charges for transhipment, use and misuse of vehicles, demurrage, &c, but such regulations shall not extend to the fixing of rates or fares or any matters of internal administration which shall remain under the complete and exclusive control of the several railways represented in the Association. (6) The Association may consider at the instance of Government, or of any railways represented in the Association, questions of railway management affecting the mutual relations between the railways themselves, and also between the railways and the Government, such questions not involving matters falling within the provisions of their respective contracts with the Secretary of State. (c) Any of the members of the Association may submit for considera. tion proposals relating to rates and faros, including the division of through rates, designed to take offect on railways represented in the Association ; but any opinion of the Association which shall be recorded, and any regulation made, shall become operative on such a proposal only so far as it shall be agreed to by the representatives of those railways to which it would apply, and on an agreement being thus come to, it shall be binding on the consenting railways. II.-(a) The Association may act as a Board of Conciliation, under regu. lations to be made by it for the appointment of an Arbitrator or Committee of Arbitration, for the settlement of differences that shall arise between railways represented in the Association on matters governed by the regulations of the Association, or relating to obligations by which any such railway is bound, under the provisions of Rule I, clause (c). (6) The Association may also act, under similar regulations, as a Board of Conciliation on any other matters then so desired by any of the parties interested in such settlement. III.-(a) Not less than six months' previous notice must be given in writing to the Secretary of the Association, and not less than three months' previous notice by the Secretary of the Association to the members before any proposal under Rule I is submitted to the Association for consideration. (6) For the consideration of all questions falling within the scope of Rule 1, two-thirds of the railways represented in the Association shall form a quorum. (c) The Secretary of the Association shall communicate to the Agents or Managers of all railways represented in the Association, at their usual of matines to be brought before the Association period intervening before the date ... In -11 natin ·Appendix I. 10 IV. The voting power of the railways represented in tho Association shall be calculated on the basis agreed to at the last Railway Conforonco in 1900. The conditions of Rules III (a) and (0) shall apply to all proposals for modifying the voting power of all railways, as well as for fixing such power in the event of an additional railway joining the Association. V. A majority of not less than three-fourths of the total number of votes of the railways present at any meeting of the Association shall be requisito for the alteration of, or addition to, any regulations of the Association. VI. Any railway reprosented in the Association may, twelve months after giving notice in writing to the Secretary of the Association of its intention 60 to do, withdrair from the Association, or withdraw its assont after such notico to any regulation that has been twelve months in oporation, and thereafter such regulation shall no longor be binding on it. VII. The necessary expenses of the Association shall be borne by Railway Administrations represented in the Association in the samo proportions as their respective voting powers. VIII. The regulations of the Railway Conference, as revised at their meeting in 1900, shall be regarded as regulations of the Association until or so far as any of thom shall have bcon modified under the provisions of these rules. Accepted by the following Railway Companics :--Assam-Bengal, Bengal Central, Bengal Dooars, Bengal-Nagpur, Bengal North-TT'estern, Bombay, Baroda and Central India, Burmal, East Indian, Great Indian Peninsula and Indian Midland, Madras, His Highness the Nizam's State, Rohilkund and Kumaon, South Indian, Southern Maliratta.

·11 APPENDIX II. The "Rosebery Hedal” for Railway Essays. Considerable interest has been aroused recently by statements to the effect that I-un... bers 0 Tario incorrect accounts of this scheme have been published, railway officers on other systems will, doubtless, be interested to read the circular recently issued to Great Northern Railway employees, wbich, by the courtesy of Mr. Oliver Bury, we are now privileged to publish: "The Right Hon. the Earl of Rosebery, K G., has kindly offered to le Rosebery Medal') to the Ive subjects will be selected a list on the 1st of July, f the service may have an opportunity of competing, a wide range of subjects still be chosen. Employees of the Great Northern Company, whose age does not exceed 35 at the date of the publication of each year's list, will be eligible to compete, and they may select as a subject any one (but not more than ono) of the twelve issued annu. ally. In addition to will be given to the author of the ,ubjects The essays will be judged tvorks are referred to, or quoted, the author's name must be given. The subjects for the year 1903 are as follows: (1) Permanent way, Construction and Maintenance; (2) Electric Traction for Railways; (3) Light Railways as Feeders to Main Lines ; (4) Compound and Simple Locomotives Compared ; (5) Work. shop Practice in a Railway workshop; (6) Relative Cost and Efficiency of Vacuum and Pressuro Brakes; (7) Economical Working of Passenger and Goods Traffic ; (8) Economical Working of Coal Traffic; (9) Economic Basis of Railway Rates; (10) The Law on Railways in the Uuited Kingdom; (11) The Function of Railways in Belation to Trade and Commerco; (12) General Principle of Accounts of a Railway." We trust that Lord Rosebery's offer may encourage a large number of employees to compete for the medal, and, that is still more important, stimulate the interest of workers in their work, both in and out of business hours.

·12 APPENDIX III. Proposals by the Railway Proposals by the President, Reviscil proposals by the Board of Conference of 1902. Inclian railways. Railway Conference. The Indian Rnilway Conferonce The name of the body be Association, loreinaftor designated " The Chamber of Indian rail. tho Association, shnll consist of all ways." Railway Administrations in British Indin that intimato their desiro to (Vide Resolution No. 3 of tbo join it, each of whom slınll be repre. Railway Conference of 1902.) sented at its meetings by ono delegate. The Chamber of Indian rail. WAJA shall consist of all railway administrations in Indin and It shnll clcct annanlly r President Burma desirous of joining it, from the representatives of the and shall be represented at its Administrations composing it, and meetings by one delegate from may appoint n paid Secretary, and each railway administration necessary oflico establishment, on which is a member. It shall be terms to be settled by a majority presided over by a Presidont, of rotes, elected annually from amongst the members, and thero shall The Association is constituted to be a permanent paid Secretary, fraine, in the manner bereinafter selectod log tho mombers, and prescribed, Regulations for the the necessary office establishmanagement of traffic interchanged mont. between the railways represented in the Associntion, snbject to the fol- (Vide Resolution No. 4 of lowivg Fundamental Rules. the Railway Conference of 1902.) (4) To alter or cancel existing 4. To alter or cancel auch I. (a) The Associntion may framo Conferenco roles and existing Conferenco rules as Rogolntions for the monnagement of make such now Over as fall within the competency the administratire detnils of traffic may from time to time of Agents and Managers, and interchnnged between the railways be required. to make such Dety rules as representod in the Association for do not requiro superior which it shall be agreed by the As. (Vide Resolntion No. 8 of sanction. sociation that the practico of Indiau tho Railing Conferouco of railways should bo uniform-includ. 1902) ing the fixing of charges for transbipment, uso and misuse of vehicles, demarrage, etc., but such Regalations shall not extend to the fixing of rates or fares or any matters of internal administration thioh shall remnin under the complete and exclusive control of the several rail. ways represented in the Association. (1) To consider all questions 1. To consider all questions 1.(1) The Association may consider referred to it by Govern. referred to it by Govern. at the instance of Gorernment or of ment, railways parties to ment, railways parties to any railways represented in the Assothe Chamber or public the Conferonce, or public ciation, questions of railway mannge. bodies, including ques. bodies, and also any pro- ment affecting the matual relations tions of through rates posals for the revision of such between the railways themselves, and and fares. of the existing Conference also between the railways and the rules as Agents and Mana. Government, such questions not (Vide Resolation No. 6 of gers individually are not involving matters falling within the the Railway Conference of empowered to dispose of provisions of their respective con- 1902.) without superior sanction. tracts with the Secretary of State. 1. (c) Any of the Members of the Association may submit for con• sideration proposals relating to rates and fores including the division of through rates designed to take effect on railways represented in tbe Association ; but any opinion of the Association which shall be recorded, and any Regulation made, shall be. come operative on sucb a proposal only so far as it shall be agreed to by the representatives of those railways to which it would apply, and on an agreement being thas come to it shall be binding on the consenting railways.

·13 Appendix III. Propouls by the Malay Proposals ly the I'resident, Revised proporals by the Boards of Conference of 1902. liallkay Conference. Indran railways. (2) To arbitrato between rail. 9. To arbitrato between JI. (a) The Aruciation may Act 19 was: ia xil dagiates, railways in all cases of disa llanri of Conciliatios, puder Regawhen mlled upon to do pates submitted by ono or htions to be made by it for tho #o by mutaalconscnt othor or both of the dispa. appointment of an Arbitrator or tants, under noch ralia as Committee of Arbitration, for the (Fil Resolation No. 7 of may be agreed opeu. Mettlement of differencca that shall the Railway Conferenco of arike betwcon railways representa 1902) at in the Association on matters (3) To interpret alt rendlings 2 Tintent" ? of Conferenco rules, deco- inga'! sions, and winie, cinior (1.Jo Nesolation No. 8 of the Railway Conleretco of choso (c), 1:02.) (1) Tho Arnocution may algo act onder similar Regalations, as Bonnl of Cracılıntson on any other mattern orled to desired by any of the pirties interested in bucl scidloment. . . X12. 437. III. (a) Not less than six months previoan notico must be given 10 writing to the Secretary of tho An. Rectation no pot less than three months' previous notice lng tho Sec. retary of the A Recicntion, to tho taemken Lefore any propone under Balo 1 1. pabmitted to the Associa. tion for cousideration X 17. 7. Two thirds of tho mil III. () For the considerntion of wase parties to the Confer. All questions falling within the scopa enco iball form a quorum, of Nalol, two-thirds of the railways and no questionan Aball be representod in the Association aball mnsidered when there is not form a quordum. to DOCCASATY quorum. 27. Nil. III (0) The Secretary of the ARAOC tion litl commaniente to tro Agents or Managers of all milways represented 10 the Annocinion, at their Dagal residence in India, 2:11 potirool matters to be brought before the Association at each time, mwill ensure the prescribed period intervening before tho dato fixed for the rett evading meeting TV The bine pentin milistion : basis Coqing of Apply tho . well tho (Tide Resolation No 9 of event of an additional railway 2010- the Railway Conferenco of 10g the Association, 1902.) (9) Ia-, . . (8) With regard to (), (3), 8. Qocations referred on. V A majority of not less than 11.-I---1--&IL 1-4-1--- 11 recurre uuder () BURLI VU (Fido Resolation No. O of decided on s baro majority, the Railway Conference of the President baring the 1902.) casting roto ·14 Appendix III. Proposals by the Railway Conference of 1902. Proposals by the President, Railway Conforence. Reviscd proposals by the Boards of Inilian railidays. Nil After tho regulntions passed at a Conforongo havo boon in operation for i poriod of sis months, any railwny or railwys sliall bo nt liberty, aftor giving six months' simultancong notice, to the Secrotary to the Confor. onco nnd all railways parties to tho Conforodco, to withdrair from any rogulntion or regula. tions. This withdrawal slnll only apply to transnotions with thic railway or railways giving tlo sis montbs' notico, VI. Any railssny ropresented in tho Associntion mny, twolvo months after giving notice in writing to the Secrotnry of the Associntion of its intcution to to do, withdry from tho Association or withdraw its asscnt nfter such notice to any Regulntion thint hing been tweito months in operation, and thero . after such Regulation shall no longer bo binding ou it, (Pidc Resolution No. 3 (0) of tho Railway Conforonco of 1900.) Nil Tho administrations of thic various railways recowmend Govornment or their Boards to contributo towards the cost of kceping np the necessary permanent cstablishimont, the cost being apportionod britiseen the socoral railways in direct proportion to their voting powers. VII. Tho necessary expenses of the Associntion sholl bo borno by Railwny Administmtions represented in tho Associntion in the forc proportions as their respectivo roting powers. (Vide Resolution No. 5 of tho Railway Conferenco 1902.) Nil. Nil. VIII. The Regnlations of the Railway Conference ng reriscd at thcir mecta ing in 1900 shall be regarded ng Roguintions of the Association until or go for as any of thein shall haro been modificd under the prorision of thcsc Rulcs. Nil. (5) In all matters referred to 5. In all matters refcrrcd it under (1) the Chamber to it under (1) tho Confer. shall giro soch opinion once shall express an opinion or mako such representa- or makon rccommondntion tion as it may think fit. only, and no changes which mny bo suggested shall bare (Vide Resolution No. 8 of effect until confirmed by the Railway Conferenco of superior authority. 1902.) M17. (6) In all matters roforrod nn. 6. In all matters referred der (2) and (3), the deci- to it under (2), (3), and sion of the Chambor (1), tho decision of the shall be final and binding. Confcronce shall bo final and binding, (7) In all matters conncoted with (4), the decision of the Chamber shall be binding after confirma. tion by the Govornment of India and tho Boards of Directors concernod. (Vide Resolution No. 8 of the Railway Conference of 1902.)

·15 APPENDIX IV. Scale for votes of mileage basis. 750 15 a> 9 . 33 1 21 ) . Not excoeding 250 miles 1 vote, Above 1,500 to 2,000 miles 6 votes. Above 250 to 500 2 votes. 2,000 to 2,500 7 500 to 3 2,500 to 3,000 » 8 750 to 1,000 3,000 9 1,000 to 1,500 5 Scale for votes on freight ton-mileage basis Not exceeding 10 million freight tona Above 250 million to 400 million miles 1 vote. freight toa-piles 7 votes. Above 10 million to 50 million Above 400 million to 600 million freight ton-miles 2 votes. freight ton-miles 8 Above 50 million to 100 million Above 600 million to 800 million freight ton-miles 3 frerght ton-miles 9 Above 100 million to 150 million Above 800 million to 1,000 million freight ton-miles 4 freight ton-miles 20 Above 150 million to 200 million Above 1,000 million to 1,500 million freight ton-miles 5 freight ton-miles 11 Above 200 million to 250 million Above 1,600 million freight tonfreight ton-miles 6 miles 12 . 93 . 19 1) 31 39 17 Railway. Milesge open und ander Construction on the 31st December 1902 Hall bomber of votes ou mileare baru Actual freight ton mileage for 2903 Hall number of Totes on freight ton mileage bans. Totalcomber of vote for cach delegate. Dudh and Xobilkhand. 1,260) 21 270,159,000 31 6) 12 Eastern Bengal 1,2783 } 31 2,3661 East Indian, S} 6 10 2,8031 4 51 10 Great Indian Peninsula 47 277,736,000 2,142,638,000 1,332,255,000 1,149,659,000 875,753,000 197,311,000 13,662,000 54 10 North Western 3,976 2,8831 1,3481 9 Bombay, Baroda and Central Indis Bengal epd North-Testers . 23 21 6 125 1 1 2 8 Bengal Central 163 1 when 2 Bengal Dooars Bengal Nagpur 3,909,000 334,925,000 S: 7 2,0561 1,617 3 31 7 Madras . 1,7144 3 21 6 Southern Mahratta 1,337) 2 3 6 Burma. 1,3614 23 21 5 South Indian 7424 325,540,000 176,846,000 201,380,000 156,781,000 150,814,000 32,641,000 42,520,000 32,148,000 5,613,000 $ His Highness the Nizac's Guaranteed State 1 3 7791 8241 3303 1 A898 m. Bengal Jodb por-Biksaer Rohilkund and Kamson Calcotta Port Commistioners 3 1 1 2 1 ·16 APPENDIX V. Rules for the conduct of busincss at thc Railroay Conference of 1903. The rules for the conduct of business shall be as follows:- 1. To form the Indian Railway Conforence Association, to clect a President for the year, and a permanont Secretary and decide upon the licad-quarters of thic Association. 2. The committee shall consist of a President so clected, who shall direct the procccdings, one olicor appointed by cach railtray administration desirous of joining the Association, and the permanent Secretary, or one selected for this meeting. 3. The voting power of cach delegnic will be determined with referenco to the importanco of the railway lo' represents. The scale of votes is to be found in Appendix IV. 4. Railway officers, other than delegates, attending the conference shall he eligible to serve on any of tho sub-committees, if any are formed. The proceedings of sub-committees shall have no force until confirmed by a full conforence or quorum. 5. Two-thirds of the members of the conference, including the President, shall form a quorum. 6. Thic hours of business shall be from 11 A.M. till 4. P.4. daily, Saturdays and Sundays cxccpted.

·17 APPENDIX VI. Dated Gulmarg, the 13th September 1903. From--BREVET Colovil W. V. CoxstaBLE, RE, Janager, Eastern Bengal State railway (on leave), ToCOLONEL G. F. 1l'ilsox, R.E., President, Rullway Conference, Simla. In reply to your circular letter No. Gl of the 2nd instant, I have the lonour to make the following remarks :- If the subjects for discussion at the Simla meeting are confined to items (a), (b) and (c) only, as defined in your paragraph 2, I think, as State railways should be able to accept without any disadvantage any rules or decisions come to br the companies, that it may not be necessary for the Eastern Bengal (State) railway to be represented at the proposed meeting in Simla. I shall be rery busy after my return to Calcutta and I cannot possibly spare a traffic or other oficer as a delegate. li permissible, I would, however, give my voting porrer to either of the two other State railways that may be present. 2. I, howerer, take the liberty of criticising one or two points, both in the rules accepted by the Boards as well as in your circular No 61, 3. First of all I think it is most desirable that it may be made the rule, if it is not so intended in the rules passed by the companies' Boards, that any one railway shall be competent to submit proposals to the Association, provided the subject falls within the matters governed by the regulations; otherwise the party that would be likely to lose or has the most to lose, on a reference, would often refuse to consent to the matter being adjudicated on. I therefore suggest that the follosing alterations may be made in the rules passed by the Home Board :- Io rule I (6), line ?, for " Railtrays" read " Railiray" and in line 4 for the Railways " read "any Railway " and in (c), line 1, for" of the members " read "single member" In rule II (0), line 3, interpolate "one" between "apy" and "of." Another rule that strikes one as being pot quite suitable is rule III (a). The notice required seems unnecessarily long in all More elasticity might be giren, I think, to provide for a case where some regulation passed by a previous conference, requires modification and where all agree that this bad better be done as soon as possible. 4. To deal nor with your No 61, I do not think the analogy betsrecn a Chamber of Commerce and the Railway Association alloded to in paragraph 2 is quite to the point. Tle former generally consists, not only of mercantile people, but also of railway men, port trust, corporation and other Government ollicials, and is chiefly, an adrisory body. The latter, lorever, consists solely of railiray officials, and as the Association is not emportered under the rules to deal with cases of rates and fares, or with those falling within the provisions of the contracts between the companies' railways and the Secictary of State, I do not see this it should not consider any matters falling within the conditions laid down in rule I (6) of the Association's rules. In fact, I think, provided that Government has the power of reto in all cases, the Association had better possess the porrer of either advising or deciding in each case, as it cases may think fit. Ő. As regards the last portion of your paragraph 3, I do not quite under. stand its purport, I think as heads of railways should do the only delegates ·15 Appandis VI. of the Association anã, as mids of them hare engineering and traffic and eren audit erperieace, any sub-committees that it may be found necessary to create, should be left each time to the Association to appoint, and I would prefer a mised sub-committee, sas, on the important subject of "standardising," to separate sub-committeas of engineers, locomotire or traffic men, trho would each make their ons report and then meet and make a joint report to the Association. I think far better and more practical results would be obtained from a selected committee of the best men the Associatiol rould appoint as occ3- sion would require, and naturally each head of a railway would consult his esperis before giving his opinion. I do not see either why the present Locomotire Coumittee should not submit its recommendations to the Association direct who could appoint, when necessary, a sub-committee to report on the proposal. In the same way an engineering committee might be formed. I feel sare it vül cause delar if so many espert sab-comuittees, each consisting solely of men of some particular department, were appointed as suggested by you, and as far as the locomotive department is concerned, no delegates belonging to the Association could be found. A mired sub-committee, with some esperis in it, is much more libeis in each case to recommend practical measures, and it shoulă get through its work quicker. 6. I interpret pour paragraph 4 to mean that the subjects detailed therein will not be discussed in October. Tbis, I think, is absolutely right. As you are atare I take a great interest in subjects (i) and (ii). As regards the first, I do not think it could be dealt with in a practical mander pet, for it will take a considemble time for each railstar to tabulate its standard dimensions and infringements of standard dimensions as they exist and to calculate that the cost of introducing wider stock will be, and without this information any action in the direction indicated would be premature. In respect of subject (ü) sed also of (i) so far as it concerns heavier exie loads. I trust that the subject may not be discussed by the Association artil all the replies, includig my No. 475 D. G. R., of the 4th June 1903, to Gorernment of India's No. 155 R. S. of the 27th March 1943, have been cir. culatei bs Gorenment and fulls considered by each railway administration. Toe Director of Railrar Construction has told me that this action will be taken, and I wonld ask the Conference to look at what is being done elsewhere before agreeing to any “stacdardising." Vr. Thomas Robertson and Colonel Gardiner are strongly against any" standardising" such as was proposed.st the Calcuits Conference of December 1991, and the special Railway Commis. sione: properis remarks that “standardisation " stagnation." Cardew, the Locomotive Superintendent of the Oudh ani Rohilkhand rail. was, is his report on American weihods also allades to the subject in the following words. "Types of engines.-There are many types of engines in Azerica, coatrary to the prevailing idea that there are not. As an instance of this the P. R. R has trpes Eamed from A to H. and these classes are divided UP into sub-classfs and known as A, or B, according to modifications made on Der lots of engines of those classes. Hod ikere TEEN one type only, and no deristions allaved from it, the American engines would not now be pulling the loads they are doing." This is true all over the world, and say unbiassed person has only to look through the files of illustrated English engineering papers and magazines for the last year to süfr himself that every single railway in England has changed its types within the last twelve months and is continuing to modify them. And not only that, but they are trying French and American types. For India, which is baišvard bereze all other countries in the world in its type of engines fior proof of phich see the Calcutta Conference papers and Colonel Gardiner's zote & Standsrüscian, which are conclusive), to attempt standardising, as proposed just at this time, onld be sheer folly. 7. I have just read the Engüsh Clearing House Rules, and although the EssieBengal (Staie) railway mould be less frourably affected by the intromeans brew ·79 Appendix VI. duction of Clearing House than most of the other large systems, I am in farour of the adoption of tho Clearing House System The dilliculty, I sec, but Which I admit ought to be capable of surmounting, is how to deal, on this system, might be possible to have one Clearing if this bo not feasible, then to have ways there, and let the southern rail. ways wait a little and sco horr tho ceperiment works. Again, it might bo ſeasiblo to laro tlirce or four local Clearing Houses, or one central one, say, at Cau oporo or Lucknow and branches, say, at Calcutta, Madras and Bombay. What I do not grasp is, supposing there are sorcral local Clearing Houses, who would clear the trallic, i e, adjust the accounts when traffic pas es between lines tvlioso nccounts are usually dealt with by separato Clearing Offices ? For - IT-pri nai: fru .hn Wouth Western rail. and another another at lic between Laboro and Jadras or between Lahore and Trichinopoly be dealt with ? But the Eastern Bengal (State) railstay will accept any proposals the majority of delegates agree to, and I assume all the conference would now do, if it did anything, would be to appoint a sub-committee to make recommendations. 8. Dealing now with your paragraph 5, the Eastern Bengal (State) railway has no one I know of no would be likely to bo suitablo for Secretary, but until his --,-,1. l1. it is impossible to deal with tho mat be at Simla and I also think that nensem to recompense hin for the add - . the ·PPENDII TII. Dite se Se 19:S. FS-1: 20. Dizie Ezgi 1:1 Pas de Pr Carees I tes to sri's a goce ice? 19 nola a Cozierence in Simla during the Tresent seasca io: ite paseosa said riierein; bat as iue same time I would sari1971. gile io send a deleggie io represen: ihis railway ai ube Conferenca I 32 se caii Europa cazbe line, Yo, T.EE 10-12 05 CO 1903 Fa-I:: Hi-= TETIT, Ti-ITSom Cente. Ian Siraja i his rei? COLOR be represeniei aš ibe Conference, as I am teirg masierei ani de Det koster till Lot arrive all alier ingt date. .? .. Cated: 04 Ociber 19:s. F---TAVN, Eist: El Sóle rain Tea Fresi. ESTEE Case. Tiia rierence to your leter Jo. 17,caiei lud Ociocer 1903, on the subject of the jornaiica oi the Indian *S: Pailmar Conierence Association, I hate ite tozoa: to irío you this as suggesad by jou, I am inis day, the Oih Oczober 1103. yiring my toiing poter is 1:. Buri. Jazzger, Oadh and Polil. šband züras, io represent ile Essiern Bengal Stare railta; at ile proposed meins. Tere ctet 1:13 October 1993. Fin-Tre Series, Cas Por Comisiones y, T: -The Sac 27, Rita Cieresce. Yr. T. 1. Dring will act as Commissioners Traseniainz si ide Conieserce. Tags, caie. lit Cotta 1913. FIIe Sgaidia Cie Ezgia, Bengal Castrozzar: Calota, TO-1. Preist Raüria Co23, S. Icurialegnami o 15:b indai. Acting Agent, Bengaland Norih-Testern 15:17 manas, will aci prost ior me at Conference. Te, Finlay, Muz & Co. of Calcura, being the Agents of the Bengal Dooars siczzi, Pailmas Compast: Limited, ara ezilec 10 TTTO Totes hereby appoint Edward 125ar Serile schig gezi di cbe Bengal and Jorih-i Tesieri railmas, as cur P:OXT, 10 note for us ad cu ox: bensii, at ibe Railway Traëc Conference in te belā ai sig'a ou ile : car of Ociober 1905 200 ai aur adjournment Dereoi. As witress our land this 17th day oi October 1903. FILII, ITIR & CO.. Agents, Bagal Dooars Pailmas Company Limited. WESS. 3. LAGFORD JAMES, 1. Clite Sirees, Calcutta

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Appendix VII.
No. G 62050. 47 (22), dated the 21st October 1903.
From The Manager and Engineer-in-Chief, Blaynagar-Gondal-Junagad-Porbandar
railway,
To-The President, Railway Conference.
In continuation of this oflice No. G 5170-17 (22), dated 14th September
• Xot printed.
1903, I bave the honour to state that I
regret that important railway business
prevents my attending the Railway Conference as intended.
.

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·13 IXDIAN RAILITAT CONFERENCE ASSOCIATION, 1903. Monday, the 26th October 1903, 11.45 a. m. Tith reference to pamgmph 7 of the President of the Railway Conference's Gildress at the meetiog of the Conference at 11 A L on the 20th of October 1903, Messrs. S. Finnes and A. 1. U Pope ero uninimously elected as Cliairman and Secretary, respectirely, of the mecting whicli pct at 11-13 A.N. The following were present ;. PRESIDENT Blanager, Norlh TV'estern railcay, S. FIXXET, Esq. Trafic Superintendent, Oudh and Rohilkhand railıcay, A. W. D. Pore, Esq. SECRETARY: DELEGATES : . } Astan-Bengal railway R. S. STRACILEY, E«q. Agent. Bengal and North-Western rail. E. A. NESILLI, Eeq. Acting Agent. koy. Bengal Contral rai'say E. A. Nerille, L*. Bengal Dooars railway deling Agent, Bengal and Norld-1 estern railway. Bengal-tagpur railway C. BECKETT, Lez. deling Agent and Chord Esgineer Bombay, Baroda and Central W. HARYET, Esq. Acting Agent. India railway. Burma railways Cart 19. A. S. Kiscsiv, Agent. R.E Calcutta Porl Commissioners' rail. 1. A. Daiso, Esq. A Port Committioner, . . . Eastern Bengal Stule railway II. P. Burt, Leg. Eust Indian rastray J. DorcL43, L's. Great Indian Peninsula railway. I.T. RICKAEDS, Esq. Jodhpur.Bılaner railway W. JIONE, Lsq. Madrat railway E W. STOVET, Ls7. Nizam's Guaranteed Slate rail. W, PEXDLEDERT, Esq. . Manager, Oude and Rolila land railway. Agent. Deputy Agent. Uanager. Acting Agent and Manager. Agent and Manager . . Oudh and Rollland rulsay Tiskaldun and A'umdox raulxay . Swalkers Vakra!ta railroy 11 P. Bret, Esq. Vasager. J. Ron, Esg Acting Agent and Chief Es. giseer, LT.COL J Brex Jle. Agent. POCH, R.L. Blasor & D.G. SNELLET, dgeel, R.E. South In las railrar.

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·26 nonday, the 26th October 1903: 14-30 o'clock. The delegates and risitors present Tere the side as in ihe meaing lela at Il-3 s. I. The consideration of the proposal made by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Wurdoch, R.E., postponed from the meeing held at 11-15 1.1., las resuned. on receipt of the printei copies thereof, In moring lis proposal Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Jurdoch, R.E., spoke as folloits : sl ME, CEJETS AND GENTLEVES, ir rising to propose the Resolaties that stazás ia mi game I masi pes notes itat be moricg of salesti' Feslutn, sãould it bare lasa put le mond br cae of the genis of the cle lines, sar one of us friais Nr. Tendea, Calze} Oinez. or.Ur. Vince. It is 22 0:2 Spis much about this; Te hare to make thics as there, I thios su will agree that the postica ia midi re figà carssires is possligetis: s3 er ca. Weisrecisiva estraint dezmez1 rebara tu casiàs: cese the carents brice light eis thini. Toa citose vacants is toe ses of a crocedor Geza! Strashes, the Core22 Ess: Irlarity, azi acceptai be the Boards at home Tra suni doeneat coesists of tèe Chir's oresirgos. Thatci V. Reiss ir poilsiza mapenziing, ss :: 225, als frizes avismo a Räiiras Biori scalas I have a remindrozincir Le Piscine CRY O smantis to the milliy ci sind sie's Babeizg formed by Gorani. Izbicka cesti 3:52 rares en stor inst thonin botagonists citanira si accu is the stays nervantei eg the isso, r. - (1) whaber tirar e caiaiaše ita La Part sowmancatrsha Guaranea: c: Ice Brzinarsalicuizais szego ic ferita Small Pari inazi ia the 3-5 .TS To artigs i reallacs rell to see it ikes rasy, scd in cong so will belis:cs: toa nii on-lata Pres: st Ice Smau Par consisting dient mana aking the pre? ci tiec szoros TzatiCacicaz. Tca Inge Parties of the caties of tea Czesco sareeredes: itscontine sera paComita for the sacaging rules 22:1--Saatiinskizzi, bata 2 obtire Cizgitea, 2-3 rii Grammas well : Fisinars timelres, eni! subminea! Cinecie to zasacinisatoris crisis and curier" Tsse inocentes, pelemes, io ce to be no maxistams. 13 erstens friss!! Part, Iibist meil ca 2:0 xgsite rassitat as dica dr Gegeal Socier, tepa32 Ess: Iccial Farsreceptador ezberis are main cxceps: Small Fars barcisussantire te iglesia osta La Fazla Stezne Innritaiba casachantages tist wala na acei bravice een size Sisere mon grees alles ble; ficció süre tregtiaše spesies, ·27 If we accept them straight imar, esch one of us wcald be quite jastifel is easing "whatever may be my own private opinion as to the wisdom of the rules, I am the serrant of tho Bourd and bare no business to express it, bat must accept and act upon the rules.” The mannen soll alan hand L. .. These considerations as also the fact that when the London Board, accepted General Strachey's draft rules, as they practically did, they bad not before them a good deal of the information that we now have before us, vis., tho ducuments I haro alluded to and Mr. Robertson's report seems to me to make it our duty to resul mit ihe case, each of us, to our own Board. This brings me to the Large Part that I adrocate that the Railways should accept I again refer to the definition of the large part as above quoted from our lato President's opening address. I don't think, gentlemeo, it 1 necessary to diato at any great length on the advantages that would accpe by adopting it, tree the association allowed to "take on the Large Part The rock ahead is obviously the question of rates and fares. It is assumed that sorh questions are matters that must remain under the exclusife control of the Railways. But gentlemen, this is hardly correct. To start with, Government has got the control in the matter of marimum and minimum rates. As to the latter some of us have thought that it would be a good thing to get mjomum ratos abolished either for general or particular purposes. Agaiu in Dearly all the contracts thero is a clause ander which Railways are bound by any legislative Act that tho Government of India may please to in'roduce; to this must be added the remarks contained in our late Presideot's address soluck seem to me to indicato very clearly that in futuro Government intend to exerriso their powers mor strictly thar inglo-nhahn dann tonnal.....at . 1- . AL-11 do BD will Personally 1 petition is of competin ever this is future not a Gentlemen, if I take it is inevitable we have to be ruled, rurely it is better to be ruled by rules and regulations in the framing of which we have taken the predominant part, than to have to submit to the rulings of a small Railway Board such as that proposed by Mr. Robertson. Surely to reject the meagare of Home Rule now offered to us by the Gosernment of India under the idea that by accepting it we should be inviting interference would be simply disastrou. Gibbon' says somewhere I quote from memory-that "the hand that will not grasp the sword will not long retain the sceptre". The quotation 19 of course a trile alcard taken in connection with a bumdrum businoss meetlog, certainly no one propos presenting us with either sford or reptre bat all the same gentlerden the under- Ising idea scems applicable and I recommend it to your consideration. So fc ! 1 1.,1-41- . .. tes of the delegates who are staying at the same hotel as mysell. 'Our aiming thay beca pot so much to get a majority on our siile and a minority on the other ende, as to framea Resolation such as all the delegates can subscribe to with absolute loyalty to their masters, the Ilome Boards, 1 hore and trust that we have succeeded in doing ro, asd that even lises like the East Iodian and As-am-Bengal, who bare Georral Strachey 11 the Chairman of their Boards, may be alle to joia in making the representations put forward. Personally, I am unable to believe that our Boarls, composed as they are of English gentlemen, will misundentand our motives. I believe that whatever decision ibey may come to, they will thank us, not reproach us, for nokiog them to recogs.dor the matter.

·29 Of coor: 3 certain amount of delay will be involsed, but it ll be small. I think ibat if the pursolution were accep.H it miglit sabsequepily be pripisci that its deci-icas of the Boards le considered at a justponed meeting to be held in Calcutta 53; in February next. We rould toen linor definitely and finally, -and finaliır is the great point, -schere we stand, whether tre had to go in for a Secretari on Hs. 250 0: Pis. 2,500, bis fuoctions being so entirely dependent on the decision arrived at. In conclusion I wcald strongly mig- the great importance of the matter. I believe 58 35€ ai the parting of the tars, 3od if we take what I beliore is the TOOL ray, I don't think we shall ever get the chacca of tarping into the rigat way again. Ar. C. Beckett also spoke as follows:-- I leg to second the proposal thirh has been so ally expanded hy my friend--Colone Burn Vurdoch. I think it is unnecessary for me at present to add anytbing to what he has said. Bír. Beckett was followed by 31r. W. Pendlebury who said :-- I think there is a great deal in what Colonel Born Murdoch has put before us. I. talling orerihis matter of rates and fares with many of the representatires o the various railways, there has appeared to be a feeling in their minds that their Brards might think that they were not acting losally and that they might no like their asking them to reconsider the mattar. All I have to say is that if it i their conviction that the Companies' interests sill not suffer, then they ought to Ey go and vote for this proposal. I feel confident that if our Boards of Dircetors, who are shrewd business men who bar had experience of railway working, not only oa tbeir own Boards but on those o otber railways bosh in England and India, knew that their representatives bar such a feelid, they would think that their officers ought to base the courage 0 their convictions, and let their Directors know what they felt. I should not like, I were a Directas, to bare a Nianager or Agent tho bad ideas on certain prints but who did not care to express them simply because they were not the same a those of their Boards. I have has a very long csperience of traffic torking, and I have no hesitation in stating that I do not believe that if this Association is allowed to deal with questions of disputes as regards through mtes ane fares that anything will ever be done that will prove to be prejudicial to the interest of any railway in India. Bear in mind that this authority sould b cicrcised by neutral parties, for no one should be allowed to rote who was concerne in the matter in dispate. Also that the questions would be decided by men o experience who are experts in railway traffic matters. I feel sure that the interests o the diferent Boards could be entrusted to the Association with the grrata: Eafety. Not only would nothing prejudicial he dono, bat a great deal might b accomplished that would facilitate the working of railways. It is only a question of through rates; no one tould, as I understand, iaterfere with the local mates o any railway company, so that as regards our own rates te would have fupren control. In askiog the representatives to support this proposal, I hare to point out that all ask is for the Directors to reconsider the particular point put fortyard by Govern ment, and if they are satisfied with the assurance of their crecutive officers that a harm will result from the adoption of our views, to sanction what we propose If the Boards do not agree with us then they will say so, and do harm mill tay Been done cxcept to delay the election of the President and permanent Secretar for two or three months. Resolation No. 3. The following amendment was proposed by Mr. T. T. Rickards 30 sccorded by Jr. E. W. Stoney : That the Indian Railuray Conicresc? Association be nor and is hereby formed under the ralcs immer by the Boards of Directors of the Companies' railways in Indis and that the latest views of Government be again placed before the Board fr favour of further consideration, with the enquiry whether they desire + consider the fundamental rulcs laid down by them in the direction of l'isslly-Empowering the Indian Railway Conferenca Asunciation to conside and teniler ndrica on questions involving mtes which bare genera applimlility, who referred to it ly Goforumcot. Second)5,-Estending the scope of its duties to the considerntion of question not directly concrrood with infic matters thon recorred to by Goreument, or by railways, parties to the Association.

·29 In proposing the amendment, Mr. Rickards spoke as follows: 1 360 sorry to hare to propose an amendment ts Colose! Bun Mardock's proposed Resolution, because, in the brst place, I agree with the general aims and objecte of his proposal. I believe most of the reprerentatives of the railways bere bold it to be necessary that the views of Garernment, karing been expande ta »* . before tha Boards, toth the chiork of hory far the rules, under with those siess. The old conference has now been done spray with and Colonel Tilson, the President, has resigoed. We are met here to create a new copference, and we bave been gires a set of rules under which we are to form onrrelves into a Coaference Association It seems to me that the proper thing to do is to frama begin to dismed -- Yve vire www.Uz theta to alter As Colonel Both V. :. ひどい ofron 10 I do not think we ! that Government is going in for the But as they have asked us to forma at Government, I think that the Boards, hem, may desire to meet the views of vrnuwent in Teapect to this matter. The rules, as framed by the Board. provide that six months' notice shall be given before a question is referred to the new Association. This enables every railway to consult st Board, and the extended powers that the Government propose to give this Association are really exleaded powers given to the Boards, becanse erer railway will consult its Board before giving sa oprion to the Goverament of Indu. I therefore think that, if we put the Resolation the form 1 suggest, re shall secure the same object 38 is desired bs Colonel Burn Murdock and that we sball be more likely to obtain success. IIr. Stoves, in seconding the amendmeat, said :- I bave mach pleasure in seconding this Resolution. It seems to me that the Boards at home haie fully considered this matter, and having sent definite rules, we can bardly do as Colonel Bara Murdoch proposes ir bus Resolution to practically reject these rules is foto, dir. Peodlebury, interrupting, said :- We do nothing of the kind. I object to this regard. I am sore that no one is mere desirous than I am to carry out the washes of my Directors. Mir. Storey continued ozd postpona forming the Indian Railway Conference Association penting further reference to cur Boards. I think therefore that it our suggestions aro pat belore ibo Boards in the manner in which they are pat ia this Resolation by Jir. Rickards) they stand & better chance of being accepted tan as proposed in the original klesalation. Therefore I support the amendment, as I think it is pot in a more tactfol way than in the original Resolution. Mr. R. S. Strachey said. (First sentence not beard.) Therefore I do not tksak we could do tetter than accept the Board's rules as sent ont, ·30 Mr. C. Beckett epoke as follows: B12, CH22XLS AD GEILEVES, As Colonel Burn Blardoch hag righly remarked, the hate come to a parting of the waff. What we have pra:tically given us is an option by Goreninen! to accept what we may call Home Rule; or if we read betreen tbe lines of the late Presi. dent's opening speech, we lay ourselves open to action being taken by Government to force awn us the views or opinions thich they, or any Committee which they may appoint, hold 25 segards the ziministration of the railmaye of which we have charge under our Brarde. Ther approach us with Honzo Pule, prastically with both hards; they hand it to ar and say: " Here you ary: we are quite prepared for the railways of India to, e far as may 12, assist us and guide us with their opinions in the administration of their charges; if you don't accept the duties wbieb te novi osist you it is quite proba alle that we sball bare to issne orders and instructions wbich yon, under your contracts, are bound to follo," Here IIr. Beckett sas interrupted by Mr. 17. A. Dring, who, addressing the Chair on a point of order, said 3.12. CHIEMAS, T'be proposer and seconder of the Percolation have made their remarks in support of ibeir Hesolution, are they got nos orquired merely to reply to tbe remarks of the proposer and seconder of the amendment? The Chairman said :- Strictly speaking that is so, but I thought the members cald like to hear anything Dir. Bele has to pay. BIT. Beckett continued :- It bas been stated by members bere present that the propeal as pot before the Association by Culonel Bom Jurdoch and esconded by myself seems to indicato a wapt of loyalty, or apparent luzalty, z insubordination, to our Boaris. There I cannct agros. I take it that our Boards would be goly to glad to have any Euggestions yrat before them by their Agents in Itdia as to the artico which they may consider Deressary for the Boards to take. Personally speaking I bold the riev that my Board will be only tro glad to have from me aos opinions 25 to what actim ebguld be taken in what I may call the "impasse" at sihich tre have arrived. Government afk us to do cttiin things, to accept a certain róle, and our Bcards not having full knowledge of the present circum-tances onder which we have put this Pixeblution, hare gept out the Rules, prepared, as Colonel Bun Jurdoch pointed out, practically by Gepural Strachey and accepied by the other Boards en lles. Tbe vay I look at the question is that the Beards felt in considering the question put before them that it would be better-in fact, it was necessars--for ihem to Eend crot to India some proposals in which woanimity was the principal object, and that, failing is that, it would be letter to send mone, and that, if node were Eept, they practically stultified themselves. Therefore they were prepared to accept any propical which would gain that object. We have now recsised the rules, and ander the conditions at present existing I 030- sider, as Colonel Buro Blurdoch also did, that it would be better, in place of half measures, to state distinctly and exactly what our opinions are, and, if possible to carry the Association or Conference with us. It may be said half msasures are better than ame: I am of opinion that the Rcard would he better pleased to get a distinct statement from us as to what we consider. to be the proper action to take, than to hare eent to them anytbiog in the shape of half measures, that will not assist them in coming to a conclusion, and that in the end they would be grateful to their Agents for attempting to obtain a distinct ruling or opinion from the Conference as to the measures which should he adopted. With reference to the amendment which has been proposed, as far 26 I can understand it, it really attempts only half meastures, and that is one reason why I pot object to the form in which it is put. Another season is that it is propoeed that tbe Indian Railway Conference Association be now formed. If we forro the Pailway Confreoce Association it is nsces. sary for us to go further and elect a President and Secretary. As our late President, -- .. -- .. - ·31 ho never, puinted out in his opening speech, it is practically impossible for as to do this, as if we undertake only to carry on tbe Teaffic Conference which existed uptil to-day, the question of the election of a Secretary is a very simple watter : anybody practically superior clerk rould undertake the doties of Settetary. Il we are to undertake fully the duties which the Government of India press us to late, as I lave said with both bands, wr must have a fully qualthed individaal, Bod we shall have to pay bim se}} In addition to tbat it is quite possible we stall bave to appoint an under-study to tbat Secretary to carry on the work ia case of anything happening to him. The difference between the two proposals is therefore large Our daties totvards the Boards are fully protected, as in the original proposals that were put before us, it was suggested that six months' notice abgald be given by Government or by any railways, parties to the Assrciation, of any proposal which was to come up for discusion And, aguin, thiee months' notica suruld be given by the Secretary to the Railways, Members of the Association. In that three nonthe it would be possihle for the Agents of the railways to place before their Boards their views and to obtain their Boards' detailed instructions, if necessary, as to tbe action wsch the Bourds considered their Agents should take when the matter came up before the Association. Our Board's interests therefore bre fully protect. vd I for one have absolutely no desire to go agaiost my Board. I coulder ! show my loyalty in the best possible war by acting as I consider they would have me act in the altered conditions under which this matter bas now come before us. It has leva fard that Government have given us absolutely no indication of the action nluch they propose to take should se decltce the sį lendid oler which they have made us. With that I cannot agree, Reading between the lines of the printed speech of our late President, I think we can gather distinctly what Goveromeat intend to do. That they intend to do is this, I take it They will say " We have made you an offer ; if you decline to accep: this offer, the only option that remains to us us to work without your advice and without asking your advice, entirely, as we or our advisers may consider best from a Government point of view. And this is what we intend do. We are not satisfied with the way in which the Conference has dealt with matters hithe to; te do not consider that the Confercoce kas had sufficiat powers, por do we consider that the powers st bas Bttempted to obtain have been suficient in anyway. It has been a case of go as you please ; If you choose 10 accept the Resolafrons passed by the Conference, you are bound by tbem, if you do not accept then, you are not bound by them." "This has led to a rertain amount of confusion which me, as the Government of India, are not prepared to allow to continue. We, as the senior partners in practice of tbe railways in India, bare a very distinct interest in raying wbat railways suall dn in eil questsovs, and we inteod, of you won't form & Consultative or Advisory Committee, as we have suggested, to use the powers wbich we lave" I consider the amendment, as put before us, does not go far enough. What we shonid do is lo give our Brarda some basis to work upou, and in the original Resolution it was proposed that a sub-committee should be appointed and should draft certain proposals and rules and accept as far as possible the rules already accepted by the Buaids at bome. Then the follosing conversation took place. Mr. B. S. Strachey. Is that in order ? Chairman-Iry and confine your remarks more to the amendmont, please, Arr. Beckett, ur. C. Beckett. I would suggest that an addition be made to the amendment, Chairman, I think we should take it as it stands. Mr. C. Beckelt. On the grounds I have stated I oppose the amendment placed before the Association. Ulr. 1.4. Dring. Nr. Chairman, trould it bo allosed us, after Mr. ckett has gone rather beyond the matters contained in the amendment, to ke a few remarks in ansyer to Mr. Beckett. Clairman.--I am afraid not ·32 21. R. S. Strachey.--I only wish to say that I understood the discussion on the original proposal was orer. I would otherwise hare been tempted to make a few remarks. Lieut.-Col. J. Burn Murdoch, R. E., then addressed the meeting as follois : I propose, Ir Chairman, to confine my remarks solely and entirely to the amendment And first of all I must preface them with an acknowledgment of the courtesy with which the mover of the amendment has spoken, and also to express my satisfaction in noting that from the remarks both of the proposer and seconder it seeins To aro all very muuh in agreement, as to our ultimate aims. The idea seems to be that the original proposal was put forvard in too crude a form. The proposer of the amendment "in expressing his agreement with the aims god objects of Colonel Burn Murdoch” said he would like to put things in a different way. The seconder expressed the same idea somewhat more forcibly; he said that he thought the Boards had finally settled the matter, and that it would be disloyalty on our part to reject the rules as sent out by them. I entirely disagree with that. I believe the original proposal as put forirard is an honest and fair Thaya of putting the thing and moreover is in manner strictly correct. I don't think I need say anything more than refer to one important and material point referred to by the proposer of the amendment. He said that as Colonel Wilson had resigned, we must before tre could do any business, form a new Association; otherwise be said there rould be a sort of interregrunn. Now, gentlemen, this difficulty can be overcome, and that simply by doing what I hinted at, that is that the final discussion of the Board's orders be held in Calcutta in January next and that in the meantime our late President, Colonel Wilson, be asked to continue as President. That would mean a couple of months' delay, and during these tro months re rould be on the same footing as before. The Chairman, in concluding the discussion, said :- I think, gentlemen, there is nothing left for me to say. I would simply ask the Association to divide now on the proposals. The voting was as follows: Ayes-mõ5 votes. Noes32 rotes. Votes. Votes Assam-Bengal ry. (R, S. Strachey) 3 7 Bengal-Nagpur ry. (C. Beckett) Jodhpur-Bikaner ry. (W. Home) S Bengal and North-TVestern, Bengal Central and Bengal Dooars rys. (E. A. Neville) S Nizam's Guaranteed State ry's. (17. Pendlebury). Bombay, Baroda and Central India ty, (W. Harvey) 9 Oudh and Rohilkhand and Eastern Bengal Stste rys. (H, P, Burt) 19 Calcutta Port Commissioners' rs. (W. A. Dring) Esst Todian ry. (J. Douglas) 1 Southern Mahratta ry. (J. Barn Murdoch) 10 Great Indian Peninsula ry. (F. T. Rickarde) 10 Madras ry. (E. W. Stones) 7 Rohilkund and kumson ry. (J. Robb) South Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley) 5 . [Burma railtrays (Captain V. A. S. Kincaid, R. E.), North Western railway (Ur. S. Finney) did not rote.) The amendment was carried.

·33 Proposed by Major A. D. G. Shelley, R.E., seconded by Captain W. A. S. Kincaid, R.E.:-- That a sub-committee be formed to consider what modifications in the fundamental Tips Are renacer in podaci. G Resolation No. 4. 0 n . Major A D.G. Shelley, R.E., spoke in support of his proposal as follows :- This proposition is a necessary corollary to the amendment which has just been carried. Reference to a sub-committee will enable proposals to be formulated wbich, after consideration in full conference, can be alaand L. Saya in a position to decide definite isanes. I asking a sub-coromittee to drary up a discharged by the Association we are gumg 100 bar. 1 tunk is view 18 some. what over.cautious, for the proposals of a sub-committee are binding on po one, and it is always open for the full conference to reject any recommendation of the sub-committee. The voting was as follows:- Ayes-100 votes Noes-Nil. Votes. Vates. Bengal and North-Western, Bengal Central and Bengal Dooars rys. (E. A. Neville) 8 Bengal-Nagpur ry. (C. Beckett) 7 Bombay, Baroda and Central India ry. (W. Harvey) 9 Burua ryg. (W. A. S. Kincard) 8 Calcutta Port Commissioners' ry. (w. A. Dring) 1 East Indian ry. (J. Douglas) 10 Great Indian Peninsula ry. (F.T, Rickards) 10 Jodhpur-Bikaner ry (W. Home) 3 Nil Madras ry. (E. W. Stoney) 7 Nizam's Guaranteed State ry. (W. Pendlebury) 4 North Western ry. (S. Finney) 10 Oudh and Rohilkhand and Fastern Bengal State rys. (H. P. Burt) 32 Rohilkund and Kumaon ry. (J. Robb) 2 Southern Mahratta ry. (J. Burn Murdoch) 6 South Indian ry. (A, D, G, Shelley) 5 [Assam-Bengal railway (Mr. R. S. Strachey) did not vote ] The proposal tag carried. . . U The President proposed and it was agreed unanimously that the two sub- Resolation committees referred to in Resolutions Nos, 2 and 4 respectively should consist No. E. of the following gentlemen : Sub-committee referred to in Resolution No. 2, (Sub-committee No. 2.) Chasrman. ... 11 49 DIB, E. V. STONEY H. P, BORT W. Hous RS, STRACHET ... A. MI. CLARK ..a Jembers, Secretary

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(Adjourned sine olie pending receipt of the reports of the sub-committees.]

·35 Wednesday, the 28th October 1903, 14 45 o'clock. The following were present : PRESIDENT: Janager, North Western railway, S. FINNEY, Esq. SECRETARY: . Traffic Superintendent, Oudh and Rohilkhand railway, A. W. U. POPE, Esq. DELEGATES: . . . . . Assam-Bengal railiony R.S. STRACHEY, Esq Agent. Bengal and North-Western rail. E A. NEVILLE, Esq. Acting Agent. way. . E. A. NEVILLE, Esq. Acting Agent, Bengal and Bengal Dooars ratluay North-Ifestern railway. Bengal-Nagpur railway . C. BECKETT, Esq. Acting agent and Chief En. gineer Bombay. Baroda and Central W. HARVEY, Esq. Acting Agent. India railway. Burma railways CAPT. V. A. S. KINCAID, Agent. RE. Calcutta Port Commissioners' rail- W. A. DRING, Esq. A Port Commissioner. way. Baxtern Bengal State railway • R. P. Buer, Esq. Manager, Oudh and Ruhilkhand railway. East Indian railway J. DOTALAS, Esq. Agent. Great Indian Peninsula railway. F. T. RICKARDS, Esq. Deputy Agent. Jodhpur-Bilsner railway W. ITOYE, Esr. Alanager. Nailrar railicay C. TT. STOVEY, L'eq. Acting Agent and Ilanager. Nizam's Guaranteed Slate rail. W. PLSPLEBURY, Esq. Agent and Manager. Ouilk and Rollkland railway II P BURT, Esq. Alanager. a . scoy Rollkund and Kumaon railway. J. ROBB, Esq Acling Agent and Chief Engineer. Southern Mahratta railway LT-COL. J BURx Mur- Agent. . DOCI, R. I. South Indian raslway MIAJOR A, D, G. SAEILEY, Agent. P.L. . Tho following officers also attended the meeting:- Bengal and North-Testern ruil. J. Walker, Esq Traffic Mexiger. Bengal-Nagpur railway A. M CIARE, Fxq. deling Traffic Manager. Bombay, Baroda and Central CA R. CROUSELIX, Esq. General Trafic Manager India rolnay. Great Indian Peninsula raslway. AC RUMBOLL, Esq. deling General Traffic Manas ger, Madras railway. D. Ross Joinson, Esq. Traffic Manager. North Western railway BT LT-Col. C H Cowie, Deputy dl.snager. R. C. J. KEEVE, Esq, CIE. ofg. Traffic Superintendent Southern Makralta railway W.B Wright, Esq Traffic Manager South Indian railroay T. J. MCCLOUGHIN, Esq. Acling Traffic Manager, . . The proceedings of the meetings held on the 20th October 1903 were read and contirmed.

·36 Resolution No. 6. 1 The proceedings of Sub-committee No. 2 haring heen submitted hr its Chairman, Mr E. W. Stoney, it was unanimously agreed to accept the resolutions therein embodied, vide Appendis No. 2. In presenting the proceedings, Mr. E. TV. Stoney spoke as follors:- 1. In presenting to the Conference the report of Sub-comwittee No. 2, a fer ffords in explanation of the resolutions arrived at seem desirable. 2. The first point for consideration and discussion was br whom should the proposed prizes for essass be given, by Gorernment, or by the Indian Railway Conference Association; as on this depends to a large extent our decisions concerning the value of these prizes, hors and by whom the subjects for these should be selected, and by whom the essays should be judged, and those selected for prizes determined. S. Our proposal that the funds for prizes shall be prorided by the Indian Railway Conference Association simplifies working, allors of more elasticity, and the more ready alteration of rules from time to time as was be found necessary. 4. It tras considered desirable, at all events at first, to throw the competition for these prizes open to all Railway employés, and not to confine it to officers, with the object of encouraging subordinates to think for themselves, and take an intelligent interest in their work and problems connected therewith. For similar reasons an age limit has been omitted, as it ras considered that senior officers irere not likely to compete ; their time being fully occupied with every-day duties, rhile if an age limit rere fixed it might possibly bar juvior officers and otliers, who bad risen from subordivate positions, and were therefore older than men who began their carers as officers. 5. Our proposals for obtaining suitable subjects for essays will, it is considered, ensure a triác variety to make the final selection from, and will offer, it is hoped, equal opportunities for distinction to the members of each of the four great Railway Departments, Evgineering, Trafie, Locomotive and Accounts, to win the prizes offered. The money ralue of these has been fixed with a vier to make it forth the hile of junior vfficers and clever subordinates to compete, in addition to which is the further incentive that the winners will become specially distinguished, and so marked for early advancemeut 6. Ve bare proposed learing the final selection of the eight subjects to the President and the Secretary of the Indian Railway Conference Association rith whom will also rest the makiug of arrangevents for judging the essays. (Adjourned to Thursday, the 29th October 1908, at 14.45 o'clock.]

·37 Thursday, the 29th October 1903, 14-45 o'clock. The following were present :- PRESIDENT : Alanager, North Western railioay, S. FINNEY, Esq. SECRETARY : Traffic Superintendent, Oudh and Rohilkhand railway, A, W. V. Pope, Esq. DELEGATES: } - . . . . Assam-Bengal railway RS STRACHEY, Esq. Agent, Bengal and North-Westeru rail. E. A, NEVILLE, Esq. Acting Agent tay. E. A. NEVILLE, Esq. Bengal Dooars railway Acting Agenl, Bengal and North-1Vestern railway. Bengal-Nagpur railway C. BECKETT, Esq. Acting Agent und Chief Ex. gineer Bombay, Baroda and Central W. HARVEY, Esq. Acting Agent. India razlway. Burma railways CAPT TY. A, S. KINCAID, Agent. R.E. Calculla Port Commissioners' rail. W. A. DRING, Esq. A Port Commissioner. way. Eastern Bengal State railway H. P. BURT, Esq. Manager, Ordk and Roll- Akand railway. East Indian railway J DOUGLAS, Esq. Agent. Great Indian Peninsula railway F, T. RICKARDS, Esq. Deputy Agent Jodhpur-Bikaner railway W. HOME, Esq. Manager. Aladras railway E. W Stoney, 'Esq. Acting Agent and Janager. Nosan's Guaranteed State rail- W. PENDLEBURT, Esq. Agent and Manager. way. Oudh and Rohilkhard railway H. P. Burt, Esq. • Manager. Rohilkund and Kumaon railway . J, ROBB, Esq. Acting Agent and Chief Engineer, Southern Dahratta railway. Lr.-COL J. BORN MOR- Agent. South Indian razlway. MAJOR A. D. G. SHELLEY, Agent. . . DOCH, R.E. . RE. The following officers also attended the meeting: Bengal and North. Iestern rail. J. WALKER, Esq. Traffic Manager, toy. Bengal-Nagpur. A. M. CLARK, Esq. Acting Traffic Manager, Bombay, Baroda and Central C. A. R. CROMMELIX, Esq. General Trafic Manager, India railwuy. Great Indian Peninsula railway A. C RTUBOLL, Esq. Acting General Traffic Mana. ger. A[adras railway D. ROSS-JOHNSON, Esq. Traffic Manager. North Western railway Br LT.-COL. C. H. CIWIE, Deputy Manager, R.E C.J. KEENE, Esq., CIE. Ofg. Traffic Superintendent. Souther Vakratta railway WY. B. Watght, Esq. Traffic Manager. South Indian railway. T. J. McClorGrix, Esq. Acting Traffic Manager . . The proceedings of the meeting held on the 28th October 1903 rere read and confirmed.

·38 Resolution No. 7. Proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R. E., seconded by Vr. W. Harvey That the proceedings of Sub-committee No. 1 (vide Appendix No. 1) be accepted. Amendment proposed by Mr. F. T. Rickards :-- That the amendment to the preamble and Rule II be rejected and the addition of Clause I (d) be accepted. Thie amendment mas lost, as no seconder offered. Then Mr. R. S. Straghey spoke as follows :- MR. CHAIRMAN AXD GENTLEMEN, I have very little doubt there will be practical unanimity in accepting the rules which have been drawn up by the Sub-committee. I don't know whether they represent the views of the Sub-committee, From the terms of the Resolution it seems to me that these do not necessarily represent the views of anyone here and are merely our expression of what we understand are the wishes of the Government. 4 * if it 110 My instructions in regard to these rules consist of five lines; I may mention that what I say represents my own views. I was merely told to attend the Conference or send a Delegate. My whole information regarding the matter which I possess is drawn from papers which are before the Conference. The rules which the Board lave sent out are styled "fundamental rules" and are undoubtedly absolutely clear. What we are now doing is drawing out a second set of fundamental rules; they are entirely different; there are new principles introduced. I wislı, by the way, to congratulate Colonel Burn Murdoch and Mr. Beckett on having earlier in the Confereuce stated their views unmistakably. I am entirely at a loss to understaod what vievs several other lines take. Omitting the preamble I should like to refer to the first alteration which came before the Sub-committee, 'namely, the interpretation put on the Board's Rule I (6). It is to the effect that Government has to be the channel of communication between the public and tbe Conference, That does not seem to be a sound proposition. If the Association is to be a strong body, which everybody hopes it. will, it will be master of its on policy and when a matter is referred to it will say does not wish to discuss it. I think it will only weaken the position of the Conference by requiring that a communication from the public should be made through Government. In my opinion it will give rise to a difficult situation. Some public body may be interested in a matter and Government may not wish it to be referred to the Conference, at the same time the Conference may wish to have the. official opinion of that body conveyed to it without any impetus from the direction of Government. A matter may be referred through Government. Government may send it to the Conference and the Conference may wish, or pot wish, to deal with it. Forwarded through Government, it seeems to me that the Conference will have to consider it. Thus Government way press for a formal opinion on some matter or other the public are interested in, the Conference may give us opinion and Government may accept that opinion and reply to the public body. Tbat will close the matter for the time being, but if the matter is of urgent public importance it will be brought up again and Government may then have to give a decision in the matter.contrary to the opinion already expressed by the Conference Association, The public has certain statutory rights and we are the servants of the public; if Gorernment is addressed in a matter the responsibility. rests with Government. I think the public will not allow the Government to seek the support of the Conference Association in a matter of this kind. It would lead to jealousy on the part of the public of the position of the Conference Association, and its influence will be weakened and it will not command the confidence of the public which it ought to hold. It seems to me that Government must accept full responsibility in a matter when they are accountable to the public without cousulting us. + ·39 If the present constitution of Gorfmoment is not considered satisfactory, the remedy seems to be to constitote a Railway Board, not Mr. Robertson's Board, wbich is a verg drastic affair, as no doubt we all realise. Mr. Robertson has proposed a Board which is responsible only to the Secretary of State, on the same footing as the Judges in this country; it will not be subject to any infuence of the Government of India. The Government of India will only advise the Secretary of State. I do not refer to this Biarà, but a Board of Goveroment officers which would replace the present administration in the Secretariat. A Board of that kind will, it seems to me, be quite strong enough to settle questions that will arise hetween Railways and the Government. If they canoot do so, tre bare to go to the Railway Act and a Railway Comm-sion will bare to be constituted. A Railtray Commission has never yet been called up, neither the Boards nor Government wish to see it called up. I am quite sure of the public find that there is an alliance between Government and any Association, a Railway Commi-s100 will be called ap sogner or later and it will be unsatisfactory for ourselves and Gavernment. The second matter I refer to is etated in No. 1 (d) of the amended rules. In this the Afrociation may be considered a consultative body, in matters of rates. This in my opinion is the first step in the direction of invit og Government to take a share in the direct administration of Companies' railways, Io important matters of railway working we are bound to refer to the Boards in the first place, and I cannot sce box any Board can apyrore of a system whicb invites us in such matters to take the initiatire in consultation with the Government of Iodta. porting U. The Government urged the gravity of financial considerailuns and tbe importance to Government of the revenue from railway s. The Secretary of State however would not admit this arguraent, but brushed aside the financial question and emphatually said that railways were to be allowed to settle their rates by competition. Those rates were henceforth regarded as on the English principle as maxma rates The Secretary of State thought tbat selfinterest would prevent an unreasonable seduction of rates. Then the following conversation took place Chairman..Ir. Strachoy, I wish you would confine yourself to tho point at issue. This really seems to be a discussion of railway policy. Ifr. Strachey--It seeuis necessary to illustrate the grounds on which the Boards have sent us these rules, Dr. W. Pendleburg. I don't think we can go into all these questions. Ar. E. A. Neville - I don't think we are making any recommendations to tho Boards regarding the rules, there is simply a hypothetical case in question n here in certain circumstances the Boardg desire to meet the wisbes of Gorerament and the changes that will be necessary. Ar. Strachey.-Mr. Becket: care a long speech on the first occasion and as I did not speak then I should like to say now what I had meant to say. Chairman..I don't wish to interrupt you in anything you have to say, but I merely ask you to speak to the point. Will you procce ? Mr. Strachey continued ...hati, raled that fiogaciil con- Per of Railways must not tbat Government should only interfera in extreme cases. Since then minims rates have been fixed. Mr. Robertson bas said that railways are to be developed on commercial lip-s. I do not think Gorernment and the Railway Assocution are to be in league to keep up stes es appears to be the intention. Both in regard to this maiter of rates and in the other matter Lefore referred to, Gyv. erament sill have to accept ressoosibility, ·40 Colonel Burn Murdoch has referred to the sceptre which is being offered to us and urged that we should accept it; it seems to me very much as though the Government of India were asking us to wield the sword in its behalf; whether they really intend to offer the sceptre or not I don't know; the public will insist on tlie sceptre remaining in the hands of Government, and it seems to me that the usurping of the functions of Government by the Association will be resented by the public and will weaken the position of the Association. Here Mr. Strachey was interrupted by Mr. Pendlebury who remarked : This is only your opinion. Mr. Strachey then continued :- In conclusion I will only say that I am animated in my remarks by no antagonistic spirit towards Government. I recognize the excellent work done by Government in the matter of railways. The Association should be formed to recognize the responsibility of the Boards, the interest of the sbare-holders and the claims of the public aud to act ia sympatby with tie Government as far as the conditions permit. Recollect at the last Conference in Calcutta there was a great matter of principle under discussion in Committee of the full Conference for several days; on tbe day the matter was decided in full Conference, delegates for the most part went round and reversed the principle which had been settled almost unanimously by the Committee. I hope some members of the Committeo will consider this incident and be inclined to regard it as a desirable precedent. Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R.E., remarked :- I would like to correct that I think is a misunderstanding on the part of Mr. Strachey. I think he said that the Boards would not like matters being se:tled out here by their Agents without reference. Mr. Strachey.--I said discussion with the Government of India before being discussed by their Boards at home. Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R.E., continued :- Dir. Strachey is afraid that the Boards will resent a procedure wbich would allor of matters being discussed between the Association and Government before the Boards have had their say: dir. Stracbey has probably not bad time to go into our suggested Rule II which says "Any railway may claim, if it considers it necessary, sufficient notice to enable it to refer the question to its Board." Then BIr. J. Douglas added :- After the lengthy remarks you have listened to I am sorry to trouble you with any more. I think, however, there is some misapprehension that can be removed. I understand that so far wbat has been done is to form the new Association with the rules as accepted in England as defining its fuoctivos. Further we have put forward certain suggestions for the consideratoin of our Boards. It seems to me that that we liave done is in no way whatever opposed to the apparent objections which are being taken. The rules sont out to us hare been accepted for the guidance of the Association, and we shall continue to act upon them until they are altered by proper authority. To view of all the circumstances we bad to consider, it is, I think, impossiblc that te could do less than we bave done and that it only remains now for us to accept the recommendations of the Sub-committee. Mr. W. Harvey terminated the discussion by saying I would wish to draw attention to the fact that, then brioging forward Resolution 2 of Sub-committee No. 1, I spoke almost exactly in the words of Mr. Douglas that I did not wish in any way to alter the rules given us by the Board, but that my suggestion was, and any votes I might give would be simply with the view of indicating how the suggestions of Government might be embodied in the rules of the Board.

·41 The original proposal was then voted on : 7 + 8 . Ayes--90 rotes. Noer-3 roles. Vots. Totes. Bengal and North-Western, Bengal As:mm-Bengal ry. (R. S. Strachey) 3 Central and Bengal Dooars rys (E. A, Neville) 8 Bengal-Nagpur sy. (C. Beclett) Bombay, Baroda and Central India ry. (W. Harvey) Burma rys. (IV. A. S. Kincaid) Calcutta Port Commissioners' ry. (W. A. Dring) 1 East Indian ry. (J. Douglas) 10 Jodhpur-Bickaner ry. (TV. Home) 3 Madrag ry. (E. W. Stoney) 7 Nizam's Guaranteed State rys. (TY Pendlebury) North Western ry. (S Finney) 10 Oudl and Rohilkhand and Eastern Bengal State rys. (H.P Burt) 12 Rohilkand and Kumacn ry. (J. Robb) 2 Southern Mahratta ry. (J. Burn dardoch) 6 South Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelles). 5 [Great Indian Peninsula railway (Mr. F. T. Rickards) did not vote). The original proposal rcas carried. 4 Proposed by Mr. W. Pendlebury, seconded by Mr. J. Douglas. That there shall be sa annual general meeting of the Association at such date and place Resolation No. 8 The proposal was carried unanimously. Proposed by Dir. W. Pendlebury, seconded by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Resolution Murdoch, R. E. No. 9. That a meeting of the Association be held in Calcutta on Monday, the first day of Felruary, 1901, to take such further action as may be required by the decisions come to by the various Boards. The proposal tcas carried unanimously, Proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Burdoch, R. E., seconded by Eesolution Mr. C. Beckett :- No. 10. That, in submitting for the consideration of the Boards the alterations thought necessary to meet the wishes of Government, it be respectfully suggested that any alterations and improvements in matters of detail might be dealt with by the next meeting of the Association.

·12 The roting was as follois :- Bengal and North-Testera, Bengal Central and Bengal Donan tys. (E. 1. Neriile) Bengal Xaspur it. C. Baki :) Bombay, Barada and Central lain rr. (11. Harrey) Burma rtf. (11. A. S. Kincaid) Xicain's Gnar.niceh Site rrs. (11. Pendlebury) Rohilkund and Kanan Ir. (1. Pol!) 02. : Soubora Vahraitors. H. Hura Vara Hoch) South Indian Tr. (.1. D. G. Shedler) (1.ssam-Bengal militar (17 R. S. Stracher), Caienita Pori Connaissioners' railimar (Vir. 18. 1. Hring). Essi Indian railin. (.lt, J. Douglas), Great Indian l'eninsula miliras (llr. F. T. Rickaras) Joghrer-Billancr milwar (nr. 11. Home! Vadros railnzar Mr. E T. Sioner. Yosh Testera miluar (.\r. S. Finney). Onih ani Bolilkland and Easiera Bengal Siste milmars (Jlr. I. P. Buri) did not rote The proposal .sas carriet 1 Resolntion No 11. Proposed br Jr. II. P. Buri, secondea br lr. 11. Tenåleburt:- Thai a conta rectas be given to V:. X. S. Baring, gri si Bagiscos. Kaik:-Sina militar, rite kind and are amonis de lyhimio::he:musica, apa, semis. Corriga anionist::. Resolatica No.10 Proposed hr ſr. F. T. Rietaris. secondes br Him, J. Donglas Tia: in meno rihmarhaithe le :: Rzes te • Pasieni immenstrives of the ministratias con Assyn, og the edin ve M. S. Finor, Yasins Iesiran zarar. dixielbienii ihai Gutionis estes V: I. i. Jeiss Ocing inder ST, Gareze cil Voks!: Narars og SVT Sisir sa aina As encabezaar sin Carri zi inaila. TAJjoria:T, 8:30 192, Eret?

·43 Friday, the 30th October 1903, 12 o'clock. Tlie following were present; PRESIDENT : Janager, North IVestern railicay, S. FINNLY, Esq. SECRETARY: Traffic Superintendent, Oudh and Rohilkhand railcay, A. W. U. Pope, ESQ. DELEGATES: . Bengal General raion . . Assam-Bengal railway R. S. STRICHET, Esq. Agent. Bengal and North-Festern rail- E. A. NESILLE, Esq. Acting Agent. way. E. A. NEVILLE, Esq. Acting Agent, Bengal and Bengal Dooars railway Nord-IT'estern rattay, Bengal-Nagpur railway • C. Beckert, Esq. Adling Agent and Chief Ex. gineer, Bombay, Baroda and Central W. Harvey, Esq. Acting agent. India railway. Burma railways CAPT, W. A. S. KINCAID, Agent. R.E. Calcutta Port Commissioners' rail. W. A. DRING, Esq. . A Port Commissioner. ray. Eastern Bengal State railway H. P. Bert, Esl .. Dlanager, Oudh and Roll khand railway. East Indian railway J. Douglas, Esq. Agent. Great Indian Peninsula railway F.T. RICKARDS, Esq. Deputy Agent. Jodhpur-Bikaner railway W. Hoxe, Esq. Manager. Dladras railway E. W. STONEY, Esq. Acting Agent and Janager. Nizam's Gwaranteed Stale rail. W. PEXDLEBURY, Esq. Agent and lanager, tay. Oudh and Rohilkhand railway H. P. Burt, Esq. Manager. . . . . . . Rohillund and Kumaon railway J, ROBB, Esq., Acling Agent and Chief Ex. gineer. Inr-CoL_J. BURN MOR- Agenl. Southern Hafralla railway. DOCH, R.E. South Indian railway. BEAJOR A.D. G. SBELLEY, Agent. R.E. The following oficers also attended the mecting :- Bengal and North-Western rail. 3. WALKER, Esq. Traffic Manager. way. Bengal-Nagpur railway A. M. CLUB, Csg. Acling Traffic Banager, Bombay, Baroda and Central C. A. R. CEOVVELIX, Esq. General Traffic Manager. India railway. Great Indian Peninsula railway. A. C. ROMBOLL, Esi. Acling General Trafic Janager, Madras railway D Ross-Jon, sox, Esq. Traffic Manager. North Feslern railway Br. IST.-COL C U. COwie, Deputy Manager. R.E. C. J. Kezve, Esq., C.I.E. Ofg. Traffic Superintendent, Southern Jahralla railway 1, B. YRIGHT, L'sq. Traffic Jouager. South Indian railway T. J. McCLOCREIX, E8T.. Seling Traffic Manager. . The proceedings of the mecting hold on the 20th October 1903 were read and confirmed.

·44 Resolation No. 13. Proposed by Mr. W. Pendlebury, seconded by Mr. E. A. Neville :- That a bonus of Rs. 100 be given to Babu S. C. Labiri in charge of the printing work of the Association for the efficient manner in which he has performed his duties, and the President be authorised to expend such sums as he sees necessary for office expenditure and other contingencies, such expenditure to be passed at the next meeting of the Association. Carried unanimously. The President then stated that he would submit to Government the Iro. ceedings of the Association and ask for their approval to the alterations in the rules as printed in the annexure to Appendix 1 and draw their particular attention to Resolution No. 10 in which reference is made to the views of Government regarding them. No dissent. Resolution No. 14. Proposed by Mr J. Douglas, seconded by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, RE.:- That a cordial rote of thanks be accorded to Mr. S. Finney, the Chairman, and to Mr. A. W. U. Pope, the Secretary, for the very able and efficient manner in which they have conducted the duties of the meeting. 1 Carried unanimously amid applause. In proposing the vote of thanks, Mr. Douglas spoke as follows:- Geotlemen, I ask you to accord a very cordial vote of thanks to Mr. Finney, our Chairmad, 3od to Ir. Pope, the Secretary, for the rery able and efficient manner in which they have conducted the duties of the meeting (Hear, Hear). I would like to add that I think we are to be congratulated in the appointment of an Officer of Mr. Finney's wide experience and ability as President of the new Association (Hear, Hear). The Chairman, in replying to the rote of thanks, said Gentlemen, I beg to thank you on behalf of Mr. Pope and myself for the Resolution which you have just accepted and also for the trouble you have taken in coming here and for the attention you have given to the subjects dealt with; they are few in number, but the importance of some of them appears to me to be considerable. Colonel Wilson has dealt at length with the question of the extension of the powers of the Conference, and I feel sure that the proposals and suggestions which we are sending home will receive adequate and, I trust, sympathetic consideration at the hands of the Boards (Hear, Hear). With these remarks, Gentlemen, I will bring the proceedings to an end. A. W. U. POPE, S. FINNEY, Secretary Chairman. .

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·47 APPENDIX NO. 1. Vide RESOLUTIONS Nos. 4 AND 5 OP TRE DIEETING OF THE INDIAN RAILWAY CONFERENCE ASSOCIATION HELD ON THE 26TH OCTOBER 1903. Proceedings of Sub-Committee No. 1 held on the 27th, 28th and 29th October 1903. 1st meeting at 11 A. M., on the 27th October 1903. With reference to Resolutions Nos 3, 4 and 5 of the meeting of the Indian Railway Conference Association held on the 20th October 2003, the Subs Committee met st 11 A BL All the members were present, The following officers also attended :- Br.-LIEUTENANT-COLONEL C. H. Cows, R.E. MR. A. C. RUMBOLL. C. A. R. CBOXSELIX, » J. WALKER. T. J. McClotour 13 W. A. DRING. W.B. Wrigar. After discussion it was decided to read the rules and discuss them serialin. Mr A, W. V. Pope, the Secretary, proceeded to read the rules. Preamble. Consideration postponed, Rule I (a).- Proposed by JIr. F. T. Rickards and seconded by Mr. J. Douglasima That no alteration to Rule 1 (a) is needed in order to meet the wishes of Goveramenta Amendment proposed by Mr. V. Harvey and seconded by Lieutenant Resolati Colonel J. Burn durdoch, R.E.: No.1. That all the words after the word "administration" in line 6 be omitted The amendment was voted ou dger. Mr. C. Beckett MI, W, Hariey Lieut.Col, I, Burn Murdoch, RE. 2 1 Noet. IM. E. A. Nerille. 1 Mt. J. Doaglas 1 Mr. F. T. Rickards. Bfr. 8. Finney 3 Major A.D. G. Shelley, RE. 1 . 1 1o The amendment was lost.

·Appendis No. 1. 48: The original proposal tras then voted on:- Ayes. 1 Mr. C. Beckett Mr. E. A. Nesille 0 . 1 + 1 Mr.J. Douglas Mr. W. Harvey 3 Mr. F. T. Rickards. 1 Lient.-Col. J. Burn Iurdoch, R.E. 1 1 & Mr. S. Finney Najos A. D. G. Shelley, K.E. 1 5 5 The original proposal ras carried. Resolution No. 2. Rule 1 ().- Proposed by Mr. T. Harrey and seconded by Major A. D. G. Shelley, R.E. :- That no alteration is needed to Rule I (6) to give effect to the wishes of Government, it being understood that public bodies are not precluded from referring to the Association through Government. The proposal icas ooted on and carried unanimously. Resolation No. 3. Rule I (c).- Proposed by Mr. J. Douglas and seconded by 3r. F. T. Bickards : That Rule I (c) stand and that the following be suggested as an addition as Rule I (d): Similarly, at the instance of Government, the Association mar consider apr questions involving rates which have general applicability and tender advice to Government regarding the same. The proposal icas carried ananimously. BIr. S. Finney drew the attention of the Committee to the instructions of the Association contained in the second part of Resolution No. 3 and pointed out the necessity for provision being made for the same in the rules. Dr. F. T. Rickards stated that, with reference to Mr. Finnes's remark, he would suggest for the consideration of the Sub-Committee that the preamable to Rule I and Rule I (0) sufficiently provide for the requirements of Government as indicated in Resolution No. 3 passed resterday, the words "management of traffic interchanged between railways" being suficiently all-embracing to include such matters as are indicated in paragraph 6 of Colonel Wilson's address. Resolution No. 4. Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Vurdoch, R.E., then proposed and Major A. D. G. Shelley, R E., seconded :- That the 2nd part of Resolution No. S be met by a new Rule II sorded as follows: The Association should also undertake the functions of a Consultative Committee to which Government as well as railways, parties to the Association, could submit qnestions relating to railway administration for opinion and advice, and in submitting such opinion and advice the proceedings leadiny up to the conclusion come to may also be enclosed. Any railway may claim, if it considers it neces. sary, sufficient notice to enable it to refer the question to its Bcard.

·499 Appendix No. 1. The proposal Tas voted on:-- . 1 Mr E, A, Neville Mr C. Beckett Mr. W. Harvey Mr S. Finney Lieut. Col. J. Burn Murdoch, 1, E Major & D.G. Shelley, R. E. 1 1 1 6 Mr. J. Douglas and Mr. H. T. Rickards did not vote ] Tlie proposal toas carried. It was unanimously agreed that Rule II be Rule III. Resolation No.5 It tras unanimously agreed that no alteration to give offect to the wishes of Resolation Government is reeded to Rulo II (a) and (() which become III (a) and (0) No. 6. Tospectively. It was unanimously agreed that no alteration to give effect to the wishes of Resolation Gorernment is needed to Rulo III (a), (6) and (c) which become IV (~). (6) No. 7. and (c) rospectively, IV, which becomes V, V which becomes VI, VI (which becomes VII, VII which becomes VIII, VIII which becomes IX. It was unanimously agreed that the rules as proposed for revision by these Resolation resolutions be printed und circulated to the nem. • Tide Adrerate to this Appendix. No 8. bers of the Committee, the rules being printed on one balf of the p ge and the proposed alterations on the other half of the page. 2nd meeting at 3 p.m., on the 28th October 1903. Thoge present were the same as in the meeting bold at 11 am. Tho preamble to the Rules adopted by the Boards having been rend, it Resolation was proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R.E., and seconded by No. 9. Dr. O. Beckett: panjan with the words “The A Beociation !graph be omitted and the following i' Subject is constituted to frame or ercbanged betwen railways, Committee and as a Board u alul MVUA, The Resolution fras voted on dyes. Noer. Mr. W. HARFET 1 1 Liert.-COL. J. BURN MUBDOCET, R.E. + 1 MAJOR A. D. G. SUELLY, R.E. ME F. T. RICKJEDS. 1 MR S. FIXNEY 1 NIE C. BECKETT 5 [D[r. J. Douglas and Mr. E. A. Neville did not Fote.] The Resolution was carried.

·Aprendis No. 1. 50 *S. The Chairman then read ile iollowing estraci from paragraphs 3 and 4 of leiter No. 61, dated ihe 2nd September 1903, from Colonel G. F. Tilson, R.E., President of Railway Conference (Appendir 1 of the Proceedings of the Railtas Conference held on the 26th Ociober 1:03): Ii t.eus essential for ihe assomation to be so organized as io bare sparte sacriteas composed of erserts in each department of the railway, ni, duit, Ergiacering. Locomotire and Traiño. Qorsiidas rbich are not Telerid 1st present Locomotive Committee onld be dealt with br the Losonctive Sub-commiii12 ci ibe association. Similarly, questions relating to obu Diparimis Tuud be cosidered or the sub-conmittee interesie), 4. dwaasike questions that are dhe punding, and rich io doe carsa will be placed befor:32 Asistio, até (1) tax arrogation of lamenacitratock; in ise salarissialemcars; Liiba saisi oiscmiral clearing boasa; Ir the zerinta 1:18 Goenal Rules for forbiag raïtsss." The Chairman proposed io record this extract and to note that the Subconnities were or opinion ihat it is inadrisable to izke action in tbe matter until ihe viens of ile Boards regarding ihe rerised rules Tere receired. 3ir. F. I. Richards idea spoke as follors :- liisis ca siis tai bei eine Boards in beebire foc. my feliei is zbat, tibrat farrer espansioner will ei toestand ic: That purpose sach Sub-Commit:4583 13 be sinised Corianinas bare born in to írsze proposals on the als voris:bu niat :0.1 ni samanimesse igiood-d lr Görstonen, 04 what questions are io 5-mits then I do 2:1 koor. Fc: instance, iske: be çaistina origintza 11a Sorales, in this both Ladrmotire and Esgressemel; Ipsume ibai, when ihrt subject is to be dis. cessed in.ve as ? Ergina ies tau be braght op bs members of tbe 3:59csina is arise 0973.52 prisus ci zbe subje:t madera renca mhich afect ige: Demonts. Targard so the emicis Central Casting #casa, mhich is is some frient a 125 opestic, Izsze i Tould be deessry ic. ihe Assisiation to seek at 5 reat A 5 That the special abommittees of Aadit, krising, immirenE TEe or are for, I do 20t Capradead, and i beitete ise Boodscodiquiie mindesaad of far-recizgibis proposal is. The wrial dos: ibink that ite zaraag oi iliserinct to the నె: Katari Ra.. Assiside andsidsazina clocotires, me know that the Corsulting Engineers ci 3.metara begir:0 tis co-stioa arger, and I believe we are to get 50:1979 ide sobiect balita Terloof. Brerei Claa 11. P. Ciastable, s, in his lete i Colonel G. F. Tilsyd, R:E., ich sporto mais VIibe Provedings ci Railmar Couftreace beld ta 20:30.7:0:: 1918, says ::..* standarisation" means '* stagnation"; I Smit is si at 77527.7 itis Frocia be so. At this moment. Tha me are casida de petion Bezrier szgizes and sac waiters, I think it is arre the issuca 22 13 consider the questioa of sandardiserica of loc.m.wires. Besarten Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Vurdoch, E. E, proposed, and Wr. C. Beckett 10.10. secorded: Tetiba Chairmans sergestiva 220tzi adi Mr. Rickmas' remarks be recorded. The proposal 105 carried animously'. Basgitár ៗ Liedienant-Coloral J. Burz Murdoch, R.E., proposed and Mr. C. Beckett seconced: nai tayings in the candinites testbrittal, cr crimin, to the fall Assisãou for science Carried wonin.oztly.

·51 Appendix No. 1. 3rd meeting at 2.45 P.M., on the 29th October 1903. Those present were the same as in the meeting held on the 28th October 1903. Proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R.E., seconded by Resolation Mir. O. Beckett: No. 12. That the proceedings of the prepious meetings held on the 27th and 28th October 1903, be confirmed. The proposal tcas carried unanimously. The proceedings Tere confirmed at the 3rd meeting on the 29th October 1903, at 2.45 P.21., and submitted to the Indian Railway Conference Association for acceptance. A. V. U. POPE, Secretary. 8. FINNEY, Chairman, ·52 ANNAITRE TO APPENDIS No. 1. Rules of the Indian Railway Conference Association. Dalis 23:30:317132 Homa Baaris. Alictisesc calicions ested for the can sicurica cito boards. The Indian Railway Conference No alteration. Association, hereinafter designated the Association, shall consist of all Pailmas Administrations in British India that intipate their desire to join it, each of Thom shall be represented at its meetings by one delegate. It shall elect annually a President Ditto. from the representatives of the Ad. ministrations composing it, and mas appoint a paid Secretary and necessary office establishment on terms to be settleci by a majority of roles. The Association is constituted to Subject to the following funda. frame, in the manner hereinafter pre- mental rules, the Association is copstiscribed, regulations for the manage tuted to frame or modify regulations for ment of traffic interchanged between the management of traffic interchanged the railways represented in the Associa- between railways, parties to the Associ. tion, subject to the following funda- ation, and to act as a Consultatire mental rules :- Committee and as a Board of Arbitra. tion. I.-(a) The Association mas frame No alteration. regulations for the management of the administrative details of traffic interchanged between the rail.rays repre. sented in the Association-for mbich it shall be agreed that the practice of Indian railirars should be uniform including the fixing of charges for transhipment, use and misuse of vehicles, demurrage, etc., but such regulations shall not extend to the fixing of rates or fares or any matters of internal admin. istration which shull remain under the complete and exclusive control of the sereral railways represented in the Association. (6) The Association mar consider Ditto. at thc instance of Gorernment, or of any railwars represented in the Association, questions of railway management afiert. ing the mutual relations betiscen the railwars tlicmsclrcs, and also betsrecu the railways and the Government, such questions noi inrolving matters falling within the prorisions of their respective contracts with tlic Secretary of State. (c) Ans of the members of the Ditto. Association mir submit for consideration proposals relating to rates and fares, including the division of tlırough raics, designed 10 take effect on rail. wars represented in the association ; jut any opinion of the Association which shall be recorded, and any regulation maile, sliail become opera. tive on such a proposal only so far as it call be agreed to by the representalises of these milstars to which it srould apply, and on an agreement Bring thus cume 10, it shall be binding on tin c.5.-77:iny railure.

·53 Annexure to appendis No. 1. Rales as passed by the Home Boards, Alterations and additiong mggested for the conuderation of the Boards, (d) Similarly, at the instance of Government, the Association may consider any questions involving rates which have general applicability and tender advice to Government regarding the same. II.-The Association should also undertake the functions of a Consultatire Committee to which Govern. ment as well as railways, parties to the Association, could submit questions relating to railway administration for opinion and advice, and in submitting such opinion and advice the proceed. ings leading up to the conclusion como to may also be enclosed. Any railway may claim, if it considers it neces. sary, sufficient notice to enable it to refer the question to its Board. II.-(a) The Association may act Becomes III (a). as a Board of Conciliation, under regu. lations to be made by it for the appointment of an Arbitrator or Committee of Arbitration, for the settlement of differences that shall ariso between rail. ways represented in the Association on matters governed by the regulations of the Association, or relating to obligations by wbich any such railway is bound, under the provisions of Rule I, clause (c). (6) The Association may also act, under similar regulations, as a Board of Conciliation on any other matters when so desired by any of the parties interest. ed in such settlement. III (6), 1 IV (a). 35 III.-(a) Not less than six months' previous notico must be given in writ. iog to the Secretary of the Association, and not less than three months' previous notice by the Secretary of the Association to the members before any proposal under Rule I is submitted to the Association for consideration, IV (). 3 (6) For the consideration of all questions falling within the scope of Rule 1, two-thirds of the railways represented in the Association shall form & quorum. (c) The Secretary of the Associa. IV (c). to 1,0 Amante ·Annesire to appendis No. 1. Kules 23 passed by the Ecks Beards. aliabice zdachtices samansted for the con gescRCE de EcaI. 1 23 IV.-The voting power of the Becomes T. railmays represented in the Association shall be calculated on the basis agreed to at the last Railway Conference in 1900. The conditions of Rules III (c) and (b) shall apply to all proposals for modifying the Fotios power of all railways, as trell as for fixing such power in the event of an additional railmay joining the Association. V.-A majority of not less than TI. three-fourths of the total number of Totes of the railways present at 309 meeting of the Association shall be requisite for the alteration of, or addition to, say regulations of the Association. TI.-Any railway represented in TI. the Association m35, twelve months sfter giving notice in writing to the Secretary of the Association of its intention so to do, withdraw from the Association, or withdras its essent efter such notice to any regulation that has been twelve months in opera. tion, and thereafter such regulation shall no longer be binding on it. VII.-The necessary expenses of VII. the Association shall be borne by Rail- Way Administrations represented in the Association in the same proportions as their respective roting romers. TIII.-The regulations of the Railway Conference, as revised at their meeting in 1900, shall be regardei as regulations of the Association until or so far as any of them shall have been modified under the pro- Fisions of these rules.

·05 APPENDIX NO. 2. • Tide RESOLUTIONS Nos. 2 AND 5 OF THE MEETING OF THE RALvII Cox. FERENCE ASSOCIATTOX HELD ON TIE 2016 OCTOBER 1903. Proceedings of Sub.committee No 2, hold on the 27th and 28th October 1903. PRESENT : . E. V. Stones (Chairman). Me, II, P. BOLT, MB. Y. Hove. ME, R, S, STACDLY, MB. A. M. CLARK (Secretary). Det prize UR 9. 33 . 1. Resolved that it is desirable to oncourage the study of Indian railway problems by awarding annual prizes for the best essays to be submitted by any member of the staff on the seroral railways in this country, members of the Indian Railway Conferenco Association. 2. Resolved that it is not considered nccessary to fix any age limit, as it is considered probable that senior olicers, who lavo other opportunities of er. pressing their viows, will not compete. 3. Resolved that funds should be provided at the exponse of the Indian Railway Conference Association for the following prizes: Rs. 300 and a silver medal, 2nd 200 and a bronze medal. Srd 100 4. Resolved that it shall be left to the Agents and Planagers of the rail- Tays comprised in the Association to submit annually to the Secretary of the Indian Railway Conference Association a list of eight subjects, tio each con. cerning the following: - (a) Trallic working; (6) Locomotives, Machinery and Rolling Stock; (c) Engineering; (d) Accounts. From the combined lists tho President and Sccretary of the Indian Railtay Conference Association shall make a final selection of eiglit subjects, two from cach of the atore on Thich essays shall be invited. 6. Resolrod that the President and the Secretary of the Indian Railway Confercnce Association shall make such arrangements as they coosidcr accega sary and desirable for judging the essays and awarding the prizes. The proceedings of the Sub-committeo Tere confirmed on the 25th October 1903, and it tras unanimously resolved to submit them to tho Indian Railway Conference Association for adoption. A. M. OLARK, E. T. STOXCY, Secretary. Chairman. 29th Oclober 1903.

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·RAILWAY CONFERENCE, 1902. I'roccedings of the Conference of Railway Delegates assembled at Calculta on Monday, the 24th February 1902, under the orders of the Government of India. Monday, the 24th February 1902, 12 noon. reer . . neer . . The following were present : PRESIDENT : Director of Railway Traffic. COL. G. F. W11.80N, R.E. SECRETARY: Under Secretary, Railway Traffic. NEVILLE PRIESTLEY, Esq. DELEGATES: Assam- Bengal railrosy R. S. STRACHEY, Esq. . Agen! Bengal and North-Western, Rohil.) kund and Kumaon and Bengal A. Izst, Esq., C.I.E. Agent and Chsef Engi. Dooars railways. Bengal Cerlral railway EV, H. STAPLES, Esq. Agent and Chief Engi. Bengal-Nagpur railway T.R WINNE, Esq. Agent and Chief Enge. neer. Bombay, Baroda and Central Lieut.-Col. H. D. Agent. India railway. OLIVIER, R.E. Burma railway AT GOODPELLOW, Eeq Agent. Calcutta Port Commissioners' rail. C. H. WINDLE, Egg Traffic Manager. say: Eastern Bengal State railway H. P. Burr, Esq. Oficiating Manager East Indian railway J. DOUOLAS, Esq. Agent Great Indian Peninsula railway H. WENDEN, Esq. Agent. Madras railway Major H. Bongam- Agent and dlanager. CARTER, RE Nizam'. Guaranleed Stare rail. W. PENDLEBURY, Esq.. Agent and Manager, say. North Western rarlay JACOB, Esq., Traffic Superintendent. C.I.E. Oudk and Rohilkhand railway J. MANSOX, Esq. Oficiating Blanager. Southern dakratta railway W. B. 1 RIGHT, Eeg, Traffic Manager. South Indian railway. Major A.D.G. SHELLEY, Agent R.E. The following officers also attended the meeting :- Consulting Engineer for Railways, G. V. MARTYN, Exq Burma. Cunaulting Engineer to the Gov- EW. ARUNDEL, Esq, ernment of India for Railways, BA Assam. Assam-Bengal railway J, STUART, Esq Traffic Manager. Bengal and North-it'estern asia J. VALKER, E:q: Traffic Manager. tay. Bengal Central railway F. C. LITTLE, E:q. Assistant Traffic Super- Intendent Bengal-Nagpur railway , , . Acting Traffic Janager Centrai 0. A. R. Crosleliv, Esq. General Trafic Bland- Bombay, baroda and India railway. ger. East Indian railway 11, ADRING, Eeq. General Trafie Blane. ger. Great Indian Peninsula railway A MOIREEAD, Es General Traffic Jami. ger Jadras railway D. Ross-JouNsOY, Esq.. Trafic Jianager Oudh and Robilkhand railway A. WY. U. POPE, Esq Traffic Superintendexl. South Indian rasiway V. M. SIusox, Esq. Chief Auditor.

·2 The President, in opening the proceedings, spoke as follos : - GENTLEMEN, There has been so much' misunderstanding about Conference letter No. 45, dated the 30th April 1901, which the Appendix No. 1. late President caused to be addressed to you, that I consider it advisable to explain to you somerhat fully the position so as to enable you to arrive at some understanding as to the course which it will be best to folloir both in the interests of Government and of the several Railway Companies. The history of the question thich you are here to-day to consider inay be stated as follos. 2. Before the Conference of 1899 was convened, you mere informed, in Conference letter No. 8, dated the lith Appendix No. 2. April 1899, that "at present the Con- « ference Rules are only applicable to such railways as choose to accept them, "and a majority of votes at the Conference means nothing so long as it is not "held binding on all the railways parties to the Conference. The consequence "is túat certain railirars have accepted suoli rules as suit them, and rejected those that are in any way unfavourable. Instances bave also occurred where railways have not hesitated to ignore certain rules, which they have already agreed to, when it lias been in their interest to do so," and that the President did not consider any good results could be expected from the proposed Conference, unless railways were prepared to accept and be bound by the decision of the majority of votes on each rule adopted at the Conference and any penalty attached to such rule for a breach thereof. 3. There was an absence of unanimity as to the acceptance of this suggestion, but as it appeared to be the general wish that the Conference should be held, it was decided to hold a preliminary Conference only so as to give you the opportunity of considering the question in meeting. 4. The Conference ras duly held in 1999, and after much discussion Fou resolved that certain classes of resolutions Appendix No. 3. might be made binding when carried by a majority of one-third of the votes, but you coupled this with the proviso that all resolutions should be subject to the approval of Government and the several Boards of Directors. You further resolved to create a Standing Committee whose powers were to be the same as those of the Conference when in session, and who were to be authorised to decide matters, sometimes of great importance, on the mere written statement of the case. 5. This arrangement was tried for a rear, but it did not produce the results wliich were expected, or remove the difficulties which had given rise to the proposal. The work of the Standing Committee also was found to be un. satisfactory in consequence of its deliberations being carried on through the post, and some railways questioned its decisions and refused to act ou them. Your then President, Mr. Brereton, therefore, felt that matters would not be placed on a satisfactory footing unless power was given to the Conference to make its resolutions binding, and until a permanent Conference was established wbich should hold meetings annually and decide questions submitted to it after examining them from all the points of view which would necessarily be disclosed in an oral discussion. He further considered that the value of such a Conference would be greatly increased if it was freed from Government control. 6. He accordingly in his opening speech* at the Conference of 1900 * Appendix No. 4. suggested the advisability of your adopting a proposalt put forward by me, then † Appendix No. 5. Manager of the Oudh and Rolilkhand permanent Conference independent of Government, with a paid Secretary and a State railway, for the establishment of a I Appendix No. 6. President elected by yourselves. The proposal was carried I at the Conference $ Appendix No.7. without dissent. The rules as to the bind. firmed, but was again qualified by the proviso that the Conference resolutions ing nature of resolutions was also con should be subject to confirmation by Government and the several Boards of ·3 Directors. Seven months after the Conference had dissolved the proceclinka still remained unconfirmed, and rulinge which had been carried bs the necessary majority were and are being disregarded by individual railways because they had not voted for them at the Conference. 7. Most of the questions discussed at the Conference fell tithin the competency of the Blanagers and Agents, and in regard to such it seemed superfluous to seek liigher authority for the decisions, then the members of thio Conference alieady possessed full power to dispose of them themselves. It became, tlierefore, necessary to state the position more clearly and to point out the danger railways incurred of ---- if Appendix No 8 Ins for indefinite periods, disorganising business thereby and causing much public Appeadır No. 1. inconvenience. Copferen e letter No. 15, dated the 30th April 1901, was accordingly addressed to you. This letter has been a good deal misunderstood by simo railways 8. It was not intended that either Government or the Boards of Directors should divest themselves of any of their legitimate authority and transfer it to the Conference, It was considered that you knew what powers you individually possessed, and that, after discussion, you would be able to come to some agreement among yourselves as to the extent to which some of your powers might be conferred on the Conference. It was assumed that no Agent or Manager would submit to the Conference for a ruhog any question which he was not himself competent to decide so far as his own rulway as concerned, and it was recognised that, when a question was submitted which did not come within the powers of the individual members of the Conference, and a ruling on which would be ullra vires, the Conference would decline to do more than express an opinion thercon. To such an expression of opinion neither Goverament nor the Boards of Directors could take exception, and it was obviously in the interests of both that all questions affecting railway management should be freely discussed, and that the sense of the Conference on them should be ascertained. ... mins 1.-- --- it necessary to make would fail to be of value to the 0 9. This, Gentlemen, is the history of the question which you have been invited here to discuss, and you are now requested to consider whether- (a) a permanent Conference shall be established independent of Government, with a paid Secretary and a President elected by your. Belves; and, if so, (6) what the name, powers and functions of tliis Conferenco shall be , or (c) if you are unable to recommend the establislimont of a permanent Conference, whether the “ Standing Committee" frlich was created under Resolutions Nos. 51 and 3 of the Conferences of 1899 and 1900, respectively, shall be continued. 10. The questions which would be likely to come before the permanent Conference may be broadly divided into five classes, the line of division between each of wliich would be fairly clcarly drawn. These fire classes may be described as follows: (a) Questions affectiog the working of railsrage generally where economical and efficient management necessitate agreement in regard to the rules under which traffic shall be interchanged. As to this clase, there perer lias been sny difference of opinion, and it has always been agreed that any ráles framed thereon shall be binding () Questions relating to rates and rules which are of general application, and on which it is desirable tlicro should be agreement and uniformity of procedure, if the best results are to be obtained. In this class trould come the mates and rules relatin: to parcels tmtlic and coaching traffic for bich special concessions are allowed.

·The resolutions relating to such matters are at present treated as. pon-binding. You have to consider whether it is advisable that they should continue to be so treated, and if not, what your relations should be in through booking with railways who decline to be bound by your ruling. bearing in mind the effect of your decisions on the general public, and that here it is that Government are given the opportunity for interference if the action of individual railways works injuriously to the public or to Government. (c) Questions affecting your revenues which are personal to railiars individually, but in which it is desirable to secure uniformity of action. in this class would come such questions as the rates for coal, iron ore, ircn and steel, commodities about wliich you are likely to duar a good deal in the near future, and staple articles, which require low and uniforin rates if the trallic is to be fully developed. Such questions would gonerally involve a change of policy and as such would fall outside your competency to decide, and you could only advise Government and your Boards as to the best course to follow ; but it is none the less desirable that you should take them into your consideration, so that, after an exchange of viers, you might be able to appreciate how any change would be likely to affect your interests generally and individually, and so be able to frame suggestions thich would meet, as far as possible, the circumstances of all railways, (.1) Questions which fall outside your powers and which under the late require the sanction of Government. In this class would come such questions as the revision of the General Rules and Regulations, matters relating to the general liability of railways under the several Acts of the Legislature, and kindred subjects. In such cases you could only recommend action, but it is obvious that a recommendation from your body must carry greater weight than the indiridual opinion of eaclı railway obtained through the post and expressed without a full consideration of the question in all its bearings and of its effects on railways individually and collectirely. (e) Questions affecting the revenues of groups of railways, but not the whole railway system of India. In this class would come all questions leading to competition and all disputes between railways arising out of their working agreements, interpretation of rules, etc., and they comprise a class of cases. about which it is very desirable that you should arrive at some definite understanding, so as to minimise the evil effects of competition. Government have no desire to stop reasonable competition ; but the ultimate result of all competition is compromise. Government desire to see this compromise made witlout resort to active competition and to see disputes settled more expeditiously than they now are (cases of active competition continuing for a period of over three years are not unknown ). Such matters, however, would not ordinarily fall within the competence of the Conference in its more extended capacity, but they could very appropriately be submitted to the Conference sitting as arbitrators; and you bave to consider whether, in substitution of the Standing Committee of the Conference or the Clainis Arbitration Committees of Northern and Southern India, it rould not be desirable to utilise the Conference as an Arbitration Committee to decide all questions involving competition. To minimise loss. by the delay which must often occur before the case can be considered by the Conference, rules might be framed to give retrospective effect to decisions. Doubt has been expressed as to this ·5 41 -- ... value of the decisions of the above-mentioned Committees, and opinions have been stated that at present there is a tendency to make the decisions fit in with the arbitrators' 031 circunstances Father than with the rights of the case. This could hurdly take place if the whole Conference there made to sit in arbitration. . --- boradlepasaking, the questions which il tritu; and if it is decided lovernment, it would be for Oonference, whether they come under the category of those on which you may make a ruling, or of those on which you may only express an opinion or make a recommendation. 12. As to the designation of your body, some other thin "Conference" soald seem to be desirable. In America, a similar body is callod "The Ameri. can Railway Association," In Englaod, it is called "The Railway Clearing House." This latter would possibly be the most suitable name when a Clearing Hovga is established, and in view of the poszibility of that coming some day it might be a good name to ultimately adopt. But at present the title night vo Imisleading and perlaps a more appropriate name would be "The Ivdian Rail. way Traffio Association." 13. If, however, after full consideration, you are unable to recommend the establishment of such a body, it will become necessary for you to rousider the desirability of Standing Committee; and in this connection I do not appear to commiud respect and, as at doubtful value. 14. The only suggestions which bave so far and functions of this permanent Conference the Maniu Appeud z No . khand railway which you have already ieceiveri, and in a letter from Major Bonham-Carter, R.E, Agent of the diadras railway. With reference to the former, Appendız do 10 I may say that it was and is intended merely as a basis for discussion. In regard to the latter, as you are awaro, Goveroment have so far raise so difficulties in the way of the scheme, and if, after matura deliberation, you deem it advisable to recommend that Govern ment and the Boards of Directørs should confer on the Conference greater powers than you individually possess, I can promise you that your proposals will receive sympathetic coosideration from Government. Bat I would remind vou that Government have not only your interests to consider, but those of the ...linen Hofer suggesting, any increase sefulness and has secured Directors. 16 I would commend for your congiurialius we adoption of the system, Ar pf your first dis. 41 lead a freer hand in pulun orward your suggestions, anu muluu u eir to come to some unanimous ecision than it any representative of Goveroment were present durwg the uiscussions, 16. The rules for the conduct of business will be the same as those in • Appendis No 11. force at the last Conference. The scalet of voting povers as adopted ía Resolution † Appendus No. 12. No 2 of the Conference of 1900 has been ..nicod so as to be based on the mileage and freight ton-mileage of the several E-- lich figures are available, and still, ing. to the end of that I bare to say, l of your time, but the qucsa and Twand commerd tion to your calm and carelul Qulishuu. Cogland and America have not only be)ped between the several railways, but have had a and I hope your deliberations at this con e wisdom of starting an institution in India on SODIC That smil WW'. I am ܀ ·6 Resolution no. 1. The Conference then proceeded to consider tho proposal regarding the establishment of a permanent annual Conference independent of Governinent. Proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel H. D. Olivier, R.E., scconded by Mr. T. R. Wynne : That a permanent annual Cop'orence be established independent of Government. The Conference divided on the proposal :- Ayes-s9 votes. N0c8- 10 votes. Votea. Yoten. Assam-Bongal ry. (R, S. Stinchey) 3 Grent Indian Toninfula ry. (H. Bengal and Nortli-lleslern, 1: ohil- Wenden) 10 kund and Kumuon and Bengal Dooars rys. (A. Izat). 8 Bengnl Central ry. (E. iv, 11. Siaplos) : 2 Fengal-Nagpur ry. (T. R. Winne) 7 Bombay, Baroda and Contral India rs. (H. D. Olivier) 10 Burma ry. (A, T. Goodfellow) 5 Calcutta Purt Commissiouers' ry. (c. 11. Windle) 1 Eastern Bengni rs. (. P. Burt) East Indian ry. (J. Douglas) 10 Mĩadras Ty. (H. Hồouhai-Carter) Nizam's Guaranteed State ry. (ly. Pendlebury) North Western ry. (E. T. Jacol) 0 Oudh and Robilliland ry. (J. Alanson). 0 Southern Mabratta ry. (W. B. Wright) South Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley) : Proposal agreed to. . . 7 . A 6 Resolution No. 2. Proposed by Mr. E T. Jacob, C.I.E., seconded by Lieutenant-Colove! H. D. Olivier, R.E.:- That the Conference form itself into a Committee to recommend that the nature, powers and functious of the permanent Conferonce dccided on in Resolution No. 1 sball le. Carried without dissent. [Adjourned to Thursday, the 27th February 1902, at 11-30 o'clock.]

·1 le nemi. the after February Tere in session from Wednesday, tlie 26th . . . . 92&t. Thursday, the 27th February 1902, 11-30 o'clock. The following were present : PRESIDENT : Director of Railioay Traffic COL. G. F. WILSON, R.E. SECRETARY: Under Secretary, Railroay Truflic NEVILLE PRIESTLEY, Esq. DELEGATES: Assam-Bengil railery R. S. STRACHEY, Esq. Agent. Bengal und North-Western, Rohil 2 kund and humaon and Bengal A Izar, Esq. CIE.. Agent and Chif Engr- Dooars tullunya. terr. Bengul Central railway EW. II. STAPLES, Esq. Agent and Chief Engineer. Bengal-Nagpur railway T.R. WYNNE, Esq. Agent and Chief Engs. Bombay, Baroda and Central Lieut.. H. D. Agent India rauluray OLIVIER, R.E. Burma razlı ays '1 GOODFELLOW, Leq. Agent, Calcutta Port Commissioners' rail. C. II. WINULE, Esg. Traffic Jonager. Vay. Eastern Bengal State railway #C. E VINING, Esq. Traffic Superintendent. East Indian r.1/way. J DOI GLAS, E-q. Agent. Great livrar l'enensula railway H WENDEN, Esq. Agent. Madras railæay Major u. BONHAM- Agent and Manager CALTER, R E. Nizam's Guaranteed State rail. W. PEYDLESURY, Esq. Agent and Manager to ay Nortă Festern railway E. F. JACOB, Esq., Traffic Superintendent. C.I.K. Ordh ard Rohilkhand railway J. MAVSOY, Eeq. Officialing Manager. Sonthera Jhralla railway W. 1, W10HT, Beq. . Trafic Manager. South Indian rasiway Majo A.D. G SHELLEY, Agent. R.E. The following officers also attended the meeting :- Consulting Engineer for Railways, G. V. Jartin, Esq. Burma. Consulting Engineer to the Gov. E. W. ARUNDEL, Esq. eraient of India for Railways, B.A, Assan. Arsan Bengal railway J. STUART, Esq. Tropic Manager, daditur. Bengal and Noith-i estern rail- SJ. Licytroot, Esq. LJ. MALKER, Esq. Trall c danger woy Bengal Central raslway F. C. LITTLE, Esq. Assist nt l'roffc Superiatendent A , . Acting In fic Jannger Bumbny," Baroda and Central C. A. R. CEONLELIN, General frc3/111 India railway: Esq. ger. East Indian railway . W. A, DBING, Esq. General Traffic Jaruger A. MUILDEID, Esq. General Trafic Maga- Great Indian Peninsula railway. ger. Madras raslway D. Ross-JOHNSOV, Esq. Traffic Manager A W U. POPE, Eeq Traffic Superintendent. Oudh oud Rohilkhand railway South Indian railway W. M. Simpson, Esg. Chief Audılor. . . . . o . The proceedings of the meeting held on the 24th February 1902 were read and confi ined. • Mr. 7 ming represented the Eastern Dengal State railway in the absenco of it. Burt who was orlle arv by argent basides.

·8 Resolution No. 3. AIr. A. Tzat, 0.1. E., the Chairman of the Committee, appointed under Resolution No. 2, then presented the proceedings of the Committee (vide appendis No. 13), and the Conference proceeded to consider them. Proposed by Mr. A. Izat, C.I.E., seconded by Mr.J. Douglas: Ilat the name of the permanent Conference be " Tie Indian Railway Conference." Amendment proposed by Mr. T. R. Wynne, seconded by Lieutenant- Colonel F. D, Olivier, R.E.: That the name of the body be " The Chamber of Indian railways," The Covference divided on the amendment: Ayes-61 votes. Noes- 30 votes. Totes. Vote:. 2 . . • Bengal-Nagpur ry. (T. R. Wyane) 7 Assam-Bengal ry. (R. S. Strachey). 8 Bombay, Baroda and Central Jodia ry. Bengal Ceutral ry. (E.W.H. Slaples) (H. D. Olivier) 30 Eastern Bengal ry. (C. E. Viving) 6 Barma ry. (A. T. Gondfellow) 5 East Indian ry. (J. Douglas). 10 Calcutta Port Commissioners' ry, (C. Nizan Guaranteed State ry. (w, H. Windle) 1 Pendlebury) Great Indian Peninsula ry. (H. South Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley) 5 Vienden 10 Madras ry. (H. Bonham-Carter) 7 North Westera ry. (E. F, Jacob) 9 Qudba and Rohilkhand ry. (J. Maison) Southern) Mabratta Iy. (W. B. Wright) 6 (Bengal and North-Western, Rohilkund and Kumaon, and Bengal Dooars railways (Mr. A. Izat, 0.1. E.) did not vote. ) Amendment carried. . 6 Resolution No. 4. $ Proposed by Mr. A. Izat, C.I.E., seconded by Mr, J. Manson :- That the Cha'nber of Indian railways shall consist of all railway administrati ns in India and Barma desirous of joining it, and sball be represented at its meetings by one delegate from each railway administration which is a member. It shall be presided over by a President, elected annually from amongst the members, and there shall be a permanent paid Secretary, selected by the members, and the necessary office establishment The Conference voted on the propos:l :- NuesNil. Ayes -86 roles. Votes. Yötes, Jengol and North-Western, Rohilkund aud Kanlaon and Bengal Dooars rys. (A. Izat) 8 Rengal Central rs. (E. W. H, Staples) 2 Rengal-Nagpur ry. (T. R. Wynne) 7 l'omlay, Baroda and Central India ry. (H. D. Olivier) 10 Burma ry. (A, T, Guodfellow) Calcutta Port Commis-inners' ry. (C. H. Il'indle) Eastern Bengal ry. (C. 1, Viniar) 6 Nir. Great Indian Peninsula ry. (H. Wenden) 10 Madras ty. (H. Honbam-Carier). 7 Xizm's Guaranteed State ry. (. Pendlebury) North Westeru rp. (E. F. Jacb) 9 Oudh and Rohilhl3'd ry. (J. Manson) Sonthern Mahratt. ry. (17. B. Wright) 6 South Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley) . . . . 1 O 6 ·9 (Assam-Bengal railway (Ur. R. S. Strachey) and East Indian railiray (Ur. J. Douglas) did not yote.) Proposal carried. Proposed by Mr. A. Izat, C.I.E., seconded by Mr. W. B. Wright :- Resolution That the administrations of the various razlwaye recommend Government or their No, 5. Boards to contribute towards the cost of keeping up the necessary permanent (Pide Revolution establisbment, the cost being apportioped between the several railways in direct appendix No 12 proportion to their voting powers. Carried unanimously. Mr. A. Izat, C.I.E., then submitted the report of the Select Committee (vide appendix No. 14) containing recommendations as to the powers to be given to the "Chamber of Indian railways," and which is as follows:- T" -- -- *L ---- thuminto that il.lutions be consentit (3) to interpret all readings of Conference rules, decisions, and awards ; (4) to alter or cancel existing Conference rules and make such ner ones ay may from time to time be required. (5) In all matters referred to it under (1), the Conference shall give such opinion or make sach represeаtation as it may think fit. (6) In all matters referred under (?) and (3), the decision of the Conference sball be final and binding: .: HAL..........fananan phyll ha hindinn afror d. . .. es - DO railway 8. De calcuisitu uu luu swU UUSIU UW ... Cras altercd from time to time .. ! The President hero interposod and said he wished to make some remarks on the report of the Select Committee before the proposals they had submitted were voted on. He poiatec of opinion or a recommends clause would have no bindiwhat the need as for exclı proposal in the form in Government, and he invited the Conference to consider the desirability of revising their Select Committee's proposal so as to include questions relating to rates and fares. Mr. Douglas and Mr. Wenden baviog spoken against the proposal to include questions of rates and fares in clause (1) of Resolution No. 1 of the and Dessrs. Tynne and Izat having spoken in favour of the up the discussion by remarking that Messrs. sed the view from the Government side of the question, anu lub w w. &s, in stating that the English Clearing House nover dealt with matters concerning rates, was clearly wrong, as the Committee of General Managers in connection with the Clearing House did do so. This, however, was not the que Oncernment is the --Lal in analogy Lumittaa .-- A. Aufwanan Aunnenin questions Condelleu WANAUTUU Committee, pure and simple. »cedure. It should be rememge body of experts attacked to dan an railway matters, it was to its railways. The ni that the Governmeu sa lucre • Bessts, W gone and Manson danseat from this exclusion, Apa Messrs. they and Jacob dtszezt from through rates berag exceded, + Mr. Wote objects to the words "by mutgal cougent," ·10 The Fresident suggested the advisability of the Boards of all the Indian Railways in London holding a small Conference amongst themselves to decide that suggestions, if any, they should make as a body in regard to the proceedings of this Conference and thus obviate the difficulties that would arise from each Board having possibly a feir remarks to make about points of minor importance which would make it difficult hereafter to come to any unanimous settlement of the matter out here, and he requested the several Agents to make this suggestion to their Boards. . . + . . . . The Conference then proceeded to consider the Select Committee's report. Resolution Proposed by Mr. T. R. Wynne, seconded by Mr. W. B, Wright:- No.6. That clause 1 of the Select Committee's proposal be amended to read as follows:- (Vide Resolation 1, To consider all questions referred to it by Government, railways parties to the appendix No. 14.) Chamber, or public bodies, including questions of through rates and fares, The Conference divided on the proposal :- Ayes-65 votes. Noes-34 votes. Votes. Votes. Bengal and North-Western, Rohilkund Assam-Bengal ry. (R. S. Strachey) 3 and Kumaon and Bengal Dooars rys. East Indian ry. (J. Douglas)'. 10 (A. Izat) 8 Great Indian Peninsula Peninsula ry. (H. Bengal Central ry. (E. W. H. Staples) 2 Wenden) 10 Bengal-Nagpur ry. (T. R. Wynne) 7 Madras ry. (H. Bonham Carter) 7 Bombay, Barnda and Central India ry. Nizam's Guaranteed State ry. (W. (H.D. Olivier) 10 Pendlebury) Burma ry. (A. T. Goodfellow) 5 Calentta Port Commissioners' ry. (C. H. Windle) 1 Eastern Bengal ry, (C. E. Vining) 6 North Western ry. (E. F. Jacob) 9 Oudh and Rohilkhand ry. (J, Manson) 6 Southern Mabratta ry. (W. B. Wright). 6 South Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley) 5 Proposal carried. Resolution Proposed by Mr. A. Izat, C.I.E., seconded by Mr. E. F. Jacoh, No. 7. (l'inte Resolution 1, C.I.E.:- appendix No. 24.) That clause (2) of the Select Committee's proposal be accepted as follows: To arbitrate between railways in all disputes, when called upon to do so by mutual consent. The Conference voted on the proposal :- Ayes--99 votes. Noes-Nil. Votes. Votur. . . 3 8 2 7 . (c. 10 5 Assain-Bengal ry. (R. S. Strachey) Bengal and North-Western, Rohilhund and Kumaon and Bengal Dooars rys. (A. Izat) Bengal Central ry. (E. W. H. Staples) Bengal-Nagpur ry. (T R. Wynne) Bombay, Baroda and Central India ry. (H. D. Olivier) Barma ry. (A. T. Goodfellow) Calcutta Port Commissioner's ry. H. Tindle): Eastern Bengai ry. (C. E. Vining) East Indian ry. (). Douglas) (i reat Indian Peninsula 15.(H. Wenden) Madras ry. (H. Bonham-Carter) Nizam's Gunranteed State 15. (tv. Pendlebury) North Western sy. E. F. Jacoli ) Ond) and Rohilkhand ry. (J. Manson Southern Wahrntta ry: (W. B. Wright) Sunith Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley). 1 6 10 10 7 9 6 6 Carried unanimously, ·11 Proposed by Mr. A. Izat, C.L.E., seconded by Major E. Bonham-Carter, Resolution R.E.:- No.8. That clauses 3 to 9 of the Select Committee's proposal be accepted as follows: (Fide Besolation 1, Appendix No 14) (3) to interpret all readings of Conference rales, decisions, and a vards ; (4) to alter or cancel existing Conference rales and make such new ones as may from time to time be required. (5) Io all matters referred to it under (1), the Chamber shall give such opinion or make suola repifaentation as it may think fit. (6) In all matters referred under (2) and (3), the decision of the Chamber shall be final and binding. (7) In all routters connected with (1), the decision of the Chamber shall be bind. ing after confir.natin by the Government of India and the Boards of Directors concerned (8) With regard to (1), (3), and (), the majority must consist of of the total votes of those present, and with regird to (2) a bare majority shall rule the decision. (9) In voting on all questions put before the Chamber, the voting power of each raul Fray shall be calculated on the same basis as at the last Railway Confer. ence or as altered from time to time. Amendment proposed by Mr. T, R, Tynne, seconded by dr. A. T. Goodfellow : That clauses 3 to 7 only should be accepted. The Conference divided on the amendment : Ayes-59 zotes Noes-40 voies. Votes, Votes. Bengal Central ry. (E. W. H. Staples) 2 A esam-Bengal ry (R. S Strachey) 3 Beogal-Nagpur ry. (T. R Wyane) 7 Bengal and North-Westein, Rolul. Bom hay, Baroda and Central India ry. kund and Kumaon and Bengal (H. D. Olivier) 10 Dooars rys. (A. Izat) 8 Burma ry. (A. T. Gondfellow) 5 Eastern Bengal ry. (C E. Vaing) 6 Calcutta Port Commissioners' ry. (CH. East Indian ry. (J. Douglas) 10 Tindle) Madras ry (H. Bonbarr-Carter) 7 Great Indian Peninsula ry. (H. Wenden) 10 Vudli and Rohilkland ry. (J. Manzon) 6 Nizam's Guaranteed State ry $ Feodlebury) 9 North Western ry (E.F. Jacob) Southern Mahratta ry. (W. B. Tynght) South Indian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley) Amendment carried. 7 . . + . ܘܝ RE: Proposed by Mr. A. Izat, C.I.E., seconded by Major H. Bonham-Carter, Resolution No. 9. That clauses 8 and 9 of the Select Committee's proposals, as recorded in Resolution (Pide Resolation 1, No. 8, be accepted. appendix No 14 ) First amendment proposed by Mr. W. B. Wright, seconded by Mr. E. F. Jacob, C.I.E:- That the system of calculating the voting power of each railway adopted by the Cop. ference of 1888 be accepted for the Chamber of Indian railways Dow to be constitated, which is similar to that adopted by the International Railway Congress, riz. Two votes for a railway not exceeding in length.100 miles ; Thre dr500 miles, and subject to a . . Second amendment proposed by Mr. T. R. Wynne, secondei by dr. A. T. Goodfellow :- That in voting on all questions put before the Chamber, the voting povers of each railway be equal, namely, one vote to each railway irrespective of its lengtb or tiaflic carried.

·12 10 . . . The Conierence divided on the second amendment: Noel-80 rotes. 4/?1-19 roles. Votes Yolcu. 3 legal Central ry: (E. 14. H. Staples). Assam-Bengal r5. (R. S. Strachey) 7 Bengal and North-Western, Rohil. Borcal-Xaçur rs. (T. N. Tynne) kund and Kumaon and Bengal Burm: 5. (A. T. Goodfellow) Dooars rys. (a. Izat) S Vizsn's Guaranteed State ry. (18. Bombay, Baroda apd Central India Pendlebars) rs. (H. D. Olivier) Eastern Bengal ry. (C. E. Vining) Fast Indinn ry. (J. Douglas) 10 Great Indian Peninsula ry. (H. Tenden). 10 Jadras ry. (H. Bonham-Carter) 7 North Western ry. (E. P. Jacob) Oudh and Rohilkland rf. (J. Manson) Southern Mabratta ry. (1y. B. Wrigut) 6 South lodian ry. (A. D. G. Shelley) 5 [ Calcutta Port Commissioners' railway (Afr. O. H. Windle) did not votc.) The sccond amendment having been lost, the Conference divided on the first amendment: Ayr--50 roles. Noes-09 rotes. Volc:. Voles. Bengal Centralry. (E. W. II. Staples) Assam-Bengal ry. (R. S. Strachey) 3 Henwal-Varpur ry. (T. R. Wymno) 7 Bengal and North-Western, Rohil. Harma rs. (A.'T. Goodfellore) kand and Kumaon and Bengal Dooars rss. (A. Izat) 8 Calcutta Port Commissioners' ry. (C. H. Windle) Bombay, Baroda and Central India ry. (H. D. Olivier) North Western Ty. (E. F. Jacob) 9 10 Soaibera Mabratto ry. (W. B. Wright). Eastero Bengal ry. (C. E. Vining) 6 Enst Indian ry. (J. Douglas) 10 Great Indian Peninsula ry. (H. Wenden) 10 Madras ry. (H. Bonham-Carter) 7 Nizam's Guaranteed State ry. (W. Pendlebury) Oudh and Rohilkbond ry. (J. Manson) 6 South Indian ry. (A, D. G. Shelley) 5 The first amendwont laring also been lost, tho Conference divided on the original proposal: Arct--60 roles, Noes--11 rotes. Voici. Votes, Spin Relry. (R.S. Strachny) 3 Bengal-Nngpur ry. (T. R. Mgone) Perland North-Westrin, Rolilkund and Nizam's Guaranteed State ry. (W, Kilis And Beugal Doosts rys. (A. Pendlebury) Q . . 1 + . . . . . 1 3 11:47:**, Baro la anil Canbral India ry. ill. 1), Olisi:) 10 L'itin Bengal ry. (C. E, Vining) . 11:17!F. (J. Douglas) liet 1d Posiula ry. P!, Wenden, 10 42!... (11. Boulan.Cartne} Xi Wr12 r. (:, P. Jacob) ta!:91011:. (. Martin) 0 ::. Hah:1:658. (", R. Wright) 5.21 Talsts 1.0, Shelley) 5 [Burma railway. (r. 1. I. Goodfellon), Calcutta Port Commissioners' citerar (us. C. II. Vinil) and Bengal Central railway (dr. A. W. 11. Staples) 1:7,11 orri.

·18 Resolution No. 10. Proposed by Mr. H. Wenden, seconded by Mr. W. Pendlebury: That in recommending for the approval and confirmation of Government and Boards of Directors the proceedings of the meeting of this Conference, the delegates desire to add that the annual Conference, as it is now proposed that it should be conetituted, with limited powers, would gladly exercise such extended powers as may be legislated for or se Government and the Boards of Directors desite to confer on tbed. Carried cithout dissent. [East Indian railway (Mr. J. Douglas) and Assam-Bengal railway (Mr. R. 8. Strachey) did not vote.) Resolation No. 11. Proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel I. D. Olivier, R.E., seconded by Mr. J. Douglas :- That the best thanks of the delegates present at this Conference be given to Colonel G. F. Wilson, R.E., for the courteous and kindly manner in which he bus conducted his duties as President. Carried unanimously. The business of the Conference being now concluded, the President expressed satisfaction with the work done and thanked the gentlemen who had attended, for the trouble and attention they had bestowed on the important questions which liad been submitted to them for consideration. He especially thanked Ms. Izat, O.I.E., Chairman of the Committee, and Mr. Pope, its Secretary, for the able and business.like manner in which they had conducted ile proceedings. He then declared the Conference closed, G. F. WILSON, Colonel, R.E., Chairman

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·17 APPENDIX No. 1. Copies of Railcay Conference letters Nos. 45, 85 and 129 of 1901 in connection urith the holiling of a Traffic Conference for considering the proposal regarding the establishment of a permanent annual Conference. IL No. 45, datel the 30th April 1901. From The Secretary, Railway Conference, To-The Agents and Managers of railrays. Communications have not been received from all railcays in regard to the Proceedings of the Traffic Conference of 1000. which were It railways, Conference maintained and conducted jadependently of Government, though ra regular the East Indian railway and the Bomlar, Baroda and Central India railway consider the matter requires further consideration. 3. All railways considered it necessary to refer to their Boards for their approral of the resolutions of the Conference before adopting them, and at the present datr, seven months after the Conference broke up and advance proofs of the proceedings were furnished to memliers, and six months after the final issue of the proceedings, answers are still due from the Boards of tiro railways, one not the least important in India. The Board of ope railway takes exception to the wording of Resolution No. 71,* • Not printed and considers it should have been inade, "subject to the confirmation of Goverument and the Boards of the lines represented." 4. Then the President put forward the proposal which was dealt with in Resolution No. 51 of the Traific Conference of 1899, bis object was to arrive at some finality, as otherwise the whole labours of the Conference might be 80 much time wasted. 5. In framing the rules, however, the Committee of the Conference made them subject to confirmation by lviglier authority, and made some of the resolutions, when carried by a majority of one-third of the total rotee, binding, while others, even though carried by a similar majority, were left to be adopted or not at the option of railways. 6. Recognising that the rules proposed were not calculated to produce the results desired, the President, in his openterpendix No. 4, ing addresst at the Conference of 1900, again pointed out the futility of continuing these Conferences as at present constituted, unless their deliberations and resolutions were in themselves to dare some bi "attant and called attention to a proposal by Colonel Wilson for the estab] more frequen the working adopted. 7. The principle rbich was put forward in the proposal of the President that all resolutions carried by a majority of one-third of the rotes should be binding on railtrays, was accepted by the Goveroment of India, as the only reasonable solution of the difficulty itbich undoubtedly existed. The Boards of Directors, when approving of the proposal, also seemed to recogaise the ruling as a necessary and wise one. countil therefore, of the principle, both the Govern. the fact that a resolation facto becane & rule, sad did not regure count Walivu www 1 1 ·18 APPENDIX No. 1. 8. That some resolutions which might be carried by thic nccessary majority might not bo in the bost interests of an individual railway was inevitable. But the proposal of the Presidont was not intended to deprive railways of their indisillual liberty, and it was open to them at all times to rcquiro a reconsidoration of such rules, and if they failed to obtain their revision, to withdraw from the Conferenco iſ thoy considered the benefits they obtained under the rules which did suit them did not outweigh thic injury they suffered froin any particular rule. 9. In the wholo consideration of this mattor suficient weight does not appear to lavo beon allowed the fact that the extension of railways in India has raised so many complications in working that it is impossible for an indiri. dual railtray to stand by itself without making the complications still moro serious; and that it is nccossary that all railways should accept a proposal which a large majorit.y, of both unintorested and intcrested railways, decm to lc for the general good, even thongh it may not be productire of the best results for an individual railway. 10. This leads on to a consideration of the question of the resolutions which, though passed by the necessary majority, are not noir hold binding. 11. It stands to reason that any question submitted to the Conference on which agreement is desired and practice is to be based and which the Conference deem it advisablo to bring under their general cognizancc, must bo in the interests of railtrass is a whole; and if it is necessary to subunit sich inatters to the Conference, it is equally necessary that thicir decision should live the game weight as in cases relating, for instance, to the notilication of changes in rates. 12. The fear las been expressed that by making such resolutions binding, the rights of railırays to fix their own rates rould be intorfcrcal with, but it appears to have been orerlooked that proposals relating to rates, such for instance as the rates for parcols, are put forward with the object of bencfiting railways, both individually and collectively. When, thereforo, railways roluntarily accept such a proposal, it is clearly because of their recognition tht it is in their best interests to do so; but if uot srithstanding this shes are nt liberty to leave their acceptance open to further communication and may withdrar from or disregard the resolution at will, there is obviously little advantage in discussing the matter. 13. Another fear that has, no doubt, been present in the minds of mans is that it would increase the interforence of Government in rates questions. It appears again to have been orerlooked that under the contracts with several of the railways Government have the right of interference to the point of fixing the rates themselves. 14. This right has so far not been exercised, but tho time seems not far distant when Government may have to oxercise their rights unless railirays can come to some better understanding among themselves on matters of rates, and adopt rules which will prevent the reckless and thoughtless competition which is now often indulged in. Suficient consideration does not appear to be giren to the fact that Government are after all the principal shareholders, and that their interests demand that all questions shall be considered not from the point of view of the selfish interests of the individual, but from the broader point of view of the general interests; that all competition is capable of and must be a matter for compromise ; and that no Board of Directors who were working for an unguaranteed dividend would permit competition to continue in an acute state for the lengthened periods during which railways now consider they are at liberty to carry it on. 15. As las before been said, Government onnnot very well look with indifference on this state of things much longer, and it was to prevent or reduce this interference that the President put forward his proposal to make all resolutions binding, and it was to afford the machinery for arranging the settlement of disputes and so preventing the necessity for Government interference, that Colonel Wilson's proposal for the creation of a regular and permanent Conference independent of Government was made.

·19 APPENDIX No.1. 16. The East Indian railway suggest that Colonel Wilson, as the author of the latter scheme, should formulate it in greater detail for further consideration at a meeting of the representatives of all rail rays. He will do so and will Bubmit his proposals* to the several railways so as to reach them by the end of ride appealik May. Xo 9 17. A meeting can then be arranged for to take place in September in Simla. This will give railways time to consult their Boards and to decide upon some definite line of action. 18. If the decision arrived at after a discussion of the subject should be that a permanent Conference is unnecessary and undesirable, I am directed to say that a Conference under the ægis of Government is not likely to be held before the year 1904, if then. ILULUI + Appendix No 7. clauses c, d and e of Resolution No. 1 of the Conference of 1500, as the present system does not appear to produce the best results, since some rail ass base their vier ... 41. nofnuonna while others evade a direct answer to issues iderstanding the case fully or from a d to an opinion on a question imperfectly stated. 20. In the consideration of the matters referred to in this communication, I am to say that in Eogland not only does the Railway Clearing Hoose frame the rules for the interchange of traffic, but it also frames the general rules for --!1tant onttine the disputes in regard to the railways interested. • ise act as a consultative :: I ways have found it to be ers pertaining to railway practice. The desire is to create a similar body here with the object of leaving railways to work out their own salvation, and so avoid the necessity for the undue interference of Government in matters which it is possible and desirable for railways to settle for themselves, and I am directed by the President to express the hope that after a full and careful consideration of the matter, rail. way administrations in India and their Boards of Directors will see the advisability of confirming Resolutionst Nos. 37 • Appeudis No 6. and 38 of the Traflio Conference of 1900, and will take steps to establish the necessary permanent committee (by whatever name it may be decided to call the body) and to make it a vigorous and useful institution. I am further to add that there is one class of matters whioh has bitherto been dicussed at Conferences, for instance, the change in the leave rules, which must of necessity be left to Government and the Boards of Directors to decide. Such questions rould only be brought forward for discussion and opinion, and while given a place in the Conference Proceedings could be specially recorded as subject to superior confirmation. No. 85, dated the 7th August 1901. From The President, Railway Conference, To-The Agents and Managers of ralliraye. Sereral enquiries have reached me as to when the Conference to consider letter No. 45 of 30th April 1901 will be held. 2. While anxious that it should take place with as little delay as possible, I do rot consider it desirable that the meeting should be held until the Boards of the several railways bare espressed their riers on the aims and objects of the proposed annual Conference. So far none of them bare done so. 3. It is not, therefore, possible now to fummon the Conference before the Government leares Simla, and it has been decided to defer the meeting till December or January, when it can be held in Calcutta.

·20 APPENDIX No. l. 1 4. This postponement is all the more advisable, since there appears to be a general misapprehension as to the intention of letter No. 45 of 30th April: 1901 in regard to rates matters. It was not intended that power should be . given to the Railway Conference, of thcir own initiative, to interfere in rates disputes, or to fix ratei. What was contemplated was that the Conference, or a; Sub-Committee thereof, would be formed into a body of arbitrators; that it should be open to any railway which had a difference of opinion with another railway in regard to competitive traffic, to demand a reference to this body of arbitrators for the settlement of the dispute, and that this reference should be made not after but before retaliatory measures had been adopted. In other words, that competitive disputes should be settled without resort to competition with the many evils which accompany it. 5. It is hoped that a body of arbitrators so constituted will become in time a court of appeal in whose judgment and integrity railways will learn to place full confidence-such a body, in fact, as the English Clearing House Arbitration Committee are now accepted to be. 6. I shall be glad, therefore, if you will remove any misunderstanding of the Conference Secretary's letter No.45 of 30th April 1901, which may exist, and arrange to obtain and communicate to me your Board's views by the 15th October 1901 at latest. Notice will then issue convening a meeting in December or January for the purpose of discussing the question only of constituting. a regular permanent Conference, its scope and powers. 3 No. 129, dated the 20th December 1901. From-The Secretary, Railway Conference, To-The Agents and Managers of railways. Replies have now been received to Railway Conference letters No. 45, dated 3016 April 1901, and No. 85 of 12th August 1901, from all the twelve railways addressed except one. The replies show that out of eleven railways, three only have distinctly approved of the proposal to hold an annual Conference; one is directly opposed to the proposal ; one having no railway competition to face would prefer not to be a party ; one cannot accept the proposal without information as to the precise powers of the proposed annual Conference; one would rather stay in the background until the scheme has been formulated; two merely state that they have instructions from their Boards that any action taken by their Agent is subject to confirmation by his Board ; and two are not prepared to accept the suggested proposals without discussion. 2. The President, therefore, while repeating that in putting forward for discussion the scheme proposed by the Manager, Oudh and Rohilkhand railway, it was not intended in any way to force this or any similar scheme on the members of the Conference, the intention being to leave it entirely to the members theniselves to suggest any alterations they considered necessary, has now the honour to enquire from each railway administration whether the Agent will attend & Conference, if one is held in Calcutta, on the 3rd Monday of January 1902, to discuss (a) the question whether a Conference should be held annually with a permanent Secretary, and in the case of this being agreed to, (b) the powers to be conferred on such a Conference, In case the majority of the Agents are against the proposal to hold this Calcutta Conference, it must necessarily fall to the ground, and matters be allowed to remain on their old footing. 3. I am to add that, if any railway has any suggestions to offer in connection with this question, the President will be glad to receive them, but that the suggestions, if any, should reach the Secretary a fortnight before the Conference meets, and should preferably be submitted in print. 4. A very early reply will oblige in order to afford time for. the necessary arrangements to be made.

·21 APPENDIX No. 2. . 1 No. 8, dated the 11th April 1899. Prom-The Secretary, Railway Conference, To The Agents and Managers of railways. In Railway Conferenoc letter No. 9, dated the 28th Fahrnam 1998 the .Xot printed. views of the several of railways trere invit Railwa... in August or September 1899. 7 important railways considor a : t, yet the majority are in farour of a Conference being held this year. nment of India, Conference this Your notice, as until they are settled it seems to the President that do good results can be expected from the proposed Conference. 3. At present the Conferenco Rules aro only applicable to such railways as cliooso to accept them, and a majority of votes at the Conference means nothing to long as it is not held binding on all the railways parties to the Conference, and the consequence is that certain railways have accepted such rules as suit them, and rejected thoso that aro in any way unfavourable. Instances laro also occurred micro railways have not hesitated to ignore certain rules, which they haro already agrocd to, when it has been in their interest to do so. 4. I am, therefore, to request that you will state definitely whether you ------ inanannt onetto ha hun by, the decision of tho majority of votes "hed to each rule for a breach thereof be held in Soptember or October 1899, stances, you consider there will be any 6. Tho favour of an early reply is requested.

·22 APPENDIX No. 3. Resolution No. 61 of the Railway Conference of 1899. With reference to Resolution No. 8,* the discussion on the report of Sub- Committee No. 1, (appendix L printed "Not printed. below) appointed for the purpose of drafting a rule or rules to be adopted for making the Conference Regulations binding on all railway administrations who are parties to the Conference was then proceeded with. Proposed by Mr. S. Finney, seconded by Lieutenant-Colonel G. F. Wilson, R.E.:- (a) Tlat subject to the reservation in clase () below, all regulations (except those fixing rates and fares to be enumerated in a list to be subsequently prepared and appended to the final proceedings of this Conference) carried at the Railway Conference by not less than two-thirds of the votes of the railways who vote, shall, subject to confirmation by the Government of India and the Boards of the several railways interested, be binding on all railways parties to the Conference Regulations. (6) That after the regulations passed at a Conference have been in operation for a period of six months, ang railway or railsvars shall be at liberty, after giving six months' simultaneous notice to the Secretary to the Conference and all railways parties to the Conference, to withdraw from any regulation or regulations. This withdrawal shall only apply to transactions with the railway or railways giving the six montbs' potice. (c) That all railway administrations who are parties to the Railray Conference shall constitute a Standing Committee to decide on disputed guestions arising out of Conference rules in force. (d) That railways having such disputes shall submit their cases to the Secretary of the Railway Conference, who shall circulate them to the aforesaid Standing Committee for opinion, and a decision corried by not less than twothirds of the votes of such Committee shall have the force of a Conferenoe Regulation. (e) Tbat in case of the majority being less than as provided for in clause (d) the question as between the railways concerned sball, unless those railtvays by mutual consent accept the opinion of the majority of the Conference, be decided by arbitration, (1) That the scale of voting shall be that adopted at the Railsvay Conference immediately preceding the reference, subject to revision from time to time on account of alterations is mileage, etc. Agreed to without dissent. APPENDIX L. Minutes of meetings of Sub-Committee No. 1 held on the 12th, 14th 18th and 19th September 1899, in accordance with Resolation No. 8 to consider Question 35, i.e., The desirability of making the Conference Regulations binding on all railway administrations who are parties to the Conference. & ppandir L. to The above question was submitted for consideration and report to a Subthe Proceedings of Committee composed of the following members :- Con ference of 1899. MR. C. A. R. CROMBIELIN. Mr. N. PRIESTLEY. J. DOUGLAS. F. W. READ, S. FINNEY. MESSRS. F. T. RICKARDS & W. B. WRIGHT. J. LIGHTFOOT. Mr. J, WALKER. A. MUIRHEAD. H. Davies (Secretary). Mr. Finney was elected as Chairman of the Sub-Committee. Mr. Finney's proposal contained in Resolution No. 8 was read, and proposals and suggestions by Mr. Lightfoot, Lieutenant-Colonel Constable and Mr. Read for carrying out the object of the reference to the Sub-Committee were read and considered.

·APPENDIX No. 3. 23 1. Mr. Finney remarked that he would accept Mr. Read's proposals subject to such emendations as might meet the views of the Sub-Committee, in place of the Resolution submitted by him for the consideration of the Conference. DIr. Pinney's proposal as amended by Mr. Read's proposal was read as below:- "(a) All regulations, except those relating to rates and fares, passed by the Railway Conference by a majority of not lesg than two thods of the votes of the railstays who elect to yote, slall, after having been confirmed by the Government of India and the Boards of the several railways interested, be binding on all railways parties to the Conference Regulations. In order to meet the necessity for interpretations and revisions of regulations passed at any and every Conference similar to the present 008, a Sub-Committee be now appointed to consider and report to the Conference in what form Stand- ..uspenuntine the meaning and also (if immediate ele ewy repubwu uu utay ucu ACTIU rictions, with il ia terpreta- Paragraph (a) of the above proposals was approved with certain reservations. 2. Paragraph (0) (Dir. Rrad's proposal) tras then read, and the following rules were suggested for consideration : - (a) That all members of the Railway Conference shall constitute a Standing Com. mittee to decide on disputed questions arising out of Conference rules in force (8) Tbs - lowme hapins disputes shall submit their cases to the President of the (c) That is case of the majority being less than one-thiru rue euge budu w wyrway arbitration conducted in the ordinary way. 3. Lieutenant-Colonel Constable's proposal as contained in appendix 0,* Resolution No. 8, was then laid before • Not printed. the Sub-Committee, but the first paragraph was not approved, as it binds only members of the Conference who rote in favour of any particular resolution. It was considered that the remainder of Lieutenant-Colonel Constable's proposal would be met by the rules formu. lated below. 4. Mr. Lightfoot's suggestions were then considered and merged in the following proposals recommended by the Committee. 5. The Committee, therefore, finally recommend the following regulatings to epsure adherence to Conference rules by all railways who are parties to the Conference : [Vide Resolution No. 61 at head of this appendix.] 6. Nr. Douglas, while concurriog in the rulos proposed by the Sub.Com. Nato 67 Mr J des risked to record that the scale of voting powers adopted by the Con. 1)ouglas. "...nininn secure an adequate representation i bich are mainly and so largely interested in the maccels gurunference Regulations. Thinloors and Dluirhead, while accepting the proposals of the Noto by Plotere and desired to place on Rickardom Great Indian 61, dated the 24th July LOJNI 4- Lailiray Com. s follors: pany to the Agent, Great Indian Peninsula lumulud, "2. Io the initial letter the President, Railway Conference, asks tbat each railiray 3) state definitely whether (1) They are prepared to accept and to be bound by the decision of the majority of votes on each rule, and (2) Are also prepared to be renalızed for a breach of rule. P ·24 APPENDIX No. 3, .. 9. As regards the latter point, the Board conceive that the Railway Conference has DO power under the Railway Act or other Acts to impose any penalty. The several railrvay administrations might, doubtless, amongst themselves, agree to suffer penalty for breach of rule, but no such agreement could be held binding unless every railway administration assented thereto. Absolute unanimity would, therefore, be necessary before such an arrangement could hold. 4. As regards the question of the majority of votes, it is observed that some of the rules passed by the Conference of 1893 were passed by a very small majority; and to this fact may be ascribed the hesitation on the part of some railway to be bound by all the rules. It must also be noted that thore are several points of practical interest which may deal hardly with railways operating to the seaboard and which do not affect internal lines of communication ; and vice versa; but, under the present rules, the uninterested lines have full voting power and their action may vullify the conditions desired by the lines only interested. It seems therefore to the Board that on certain questions the voting power of the Conference should be restricted to those railways which only are interested. It is not considered that very many questions would come under this category ; but their eliinination would lead to far greater practical results, and would probably enable all lines to consent to be bound by 15 per cent. of the present rules if again passed in full Conference by substantial majoritiosamsay two-tbirds of the voting power. These would be the rules on which disputes would be settled, and they would render the work of auxiliary Arbitration Courts such as the Claims Arbitration Committee in Southern India -& matter of routine business." Resolved that the Sub-Committee submit these proceedings to the full Conference with the recommendation that the rules embodied in paragraph 5 bo adopted by the Conference, 1 ·APPENDIX No. Extract from the Proceedings of the Railway Conference of 1900. The President, in opening the proceedings, spoke as follows: The efforts of the last meeting of this Confereace were mainly directed Opening percb bs towards the Tresident (a) framing rules trith a view to making the Conference Regulations binding on railway administrations, parties to the Conference; 2, T. n Reso- Intions 6 : bent of India on falmost all thera Board, flowerer, Tiu ve ub lue ground that under the existing sale of voting powers the interests of lines of greatest open mileage and carrying the highest trallic are not adequately represented. The views of the Board of the Assam Bengal railway and the Darjeeling-Himalayan railway have not yet been communicated. 3. This representation of the East Indian Railway Board recessitates the question of the voting powers allotted to railways being taken up for consideram tion at once before proceeding with any other business. The first thing to be done therefore will be to consider any resolution that way be put forward for the revision of the existing scale of voting powers. The existing scale is that passed under Resolution No. 3* of last year's Con. ference, and as this meeting is only the • Not printed. re-assembling of that Couterence, those voting powers will continue in force and be exercised in connection with the first question to be put to the meeting. After this question has been settled, it is for the delegatos to consider Resolution No. 61 of last year's Conference with the view of making the Conon all railways, breach of tho Should a I am of opinion that the Conference rules should be binding on all railways, parties to the Conference. Otherwise I see no necessity in continuing the Conference on the present les, and if the majority of the delegates agree to this, as was done last year, this is the first resolution after the settlement of the voting powers question which should be put to the meeting. If the piajority decide against making the Conference Regulations binding, it will, I think, be wise to dissolve the Conference altogether. It will then be open to the delegates to convene a fresh Conference, electing their own President and Secretary and proceed to consider the subjects in tbe agendo or to take any further action wluich th may consider desuable. dissolution of the Conference be decided upon, any further action must be taken hy the representatives of railway companies themselves. The Mabayeis of State worked railways will act sodependently as representatives of their own lines on behalf of Government. It will not be out of place to here draw your attention to a proposait sent + Videannander No 6. up by the Manager, Oudh and Robila Railway Co with a view convenient to yourselves from time to time, of the Standing Committee uuder a President, to be elected by the members. This question is also touched upo 1. Not ruinter. sportlig of very serious consideration.

·24 APPENDIX NO. 3. 3. As regards the latter point, the Board conceive that the Railway Conference has no power under the Railway Act or other Acts to impose any penalty. The several railway administrations might, doubtless, amongst themselves, agreo to suffer penalty for breach of rule, but no such agreement could be beld binding unless every railway administration assented thereto. Absolute unanimity would, therefore, be necessary before such an arrangement could hold. 4. As regards the question of the majority of votes, it is observed that some of the rules passed by the Conference of 1893 were passed by a very small majority; and to this fact may be ascribed the besitation on the part of some railways to be bound by all the rules. It must also be noted that there are several points of practical interest which may deal bardly with railways operating to the seaboard and which do not affect internal lines of communication; and vice versa ; but, under the present rules, the uninterested lines have full voting power and their action may nullify the conditions desired by the lines only interested. It seems therefore to the Board that on certain questions the voting power of the Conference should be restricted to those railways which only are interested. It is not considered that very many questions would come under this category; but their elitnination would lead to far greater practical results, and would probably enable all lines to consent to be bound by 95 per cent. of the present rules if again passed in full Conference by substantial majorities--say two-thirds of the voting power. These would be the rules on wbich disputes would be settled, and they would render the work of auxiliary Arbitration Courts--such as the Claims Arbitration Committee in Southern India—a matter of routine business." Resolved that the Sub-Committee submit these proceedings to the full Conference with the recommendation that the rules embodied in paragraph 5 bo adopted by the Conference, ·APPENDIX No. 4 Extract from the Proceedings of the Railway Conference of 1900. The President, in opening the proceedings, spoke as follors :- The efforts of the last meeting of this Conference were mainly directed Opening epercli by towards-- (a) framing rules with a view to making the Conference Regulations binding on railway administrations, parties to the Conference ; the resident. * * 2. The recommendations of the Conference on (a) were embodied in Resolutions 51 and 79 to 81. These have been accepted by the Government of 11- ent and by the Boards of almost The East Indian Railnay Board, 61 on the ground that under 'sts of lines of greatest open adequately represented. The and the Darjeeling-Himalayan 3. This representation of the East Indian Railway Board necessitates the question of the voting potvers allotted to railways being taken up for consideiation at once before proceeding with any other business. may IUL • Not printed re-assembling of that Conterence, those voting powers will continue in force and be exercised in connection with the first question to be put to the meeting. After this question has been settled, it is for the delegates to consider Resolution No. 61 of last year's Conference with the view of making the Conference Regulations passed during the present meeting binding on all railways, and also to consider what penalty, if any, should be attached to a breach of the regulations by any railway party to the Conference. I am of opinion that the Conference rules should be binding on all railways, parties to the Conference. Otherwise I see no necessity in continuing the Conference on the present lines, and if the majority of the delegates agree to this, as was done last year, thus is the first resolution after the settlenient of the voting ponyers question which should be put to the meeting. If the majority decide against making the Conference Regulations binding, it will, I think, be rise to dissolve the Conference altogether. It will then be open to the delegates to convene a fresh Conference, electing their own President and Secretary and proceed to consider tbe subjects on the agenda or to take any further action which they may consider desirable. Should a dissolution of the Conference be decided upon, any further action must be taken lig the representaties of railway companies themselves. The Mapaycis of State worked railways will act independently as representatives of their own lines on behalf of Government. It will not be out of place to bere draw your attention to a proposalt sent up by the Sſanager, Oudh and Rohil. # Vide appendix No 5. kland railway, to establish a permanent Incandent, of Goveroment, Railway Coi with a view ay be considered Committee under convenient a President, to De L... This question is also touched upon by Mr. LigOLIOOL iu wis able notet on the desirability of establishing a Railway Not printer? Clearing House in India and is, I think, ffortlıy of very serious consideration, ·APPENDIX No. 1. 20 The number of references made during the past year rrgariling tho regulations which had only beon in forco a four monthis points to the desirability of there being a speoinl Conference oflice and start, independent of Government, who will be able to devoto their whole time to Conference work. It will also bo observed that in nearly all cases, owing to the members being aware that a meeting would be held in Seplember, there was a general request that the questions referred should be lielorer for discussion at this meeting. This points to the necessity of more frequent meetings of this body. The establishment of a special Conference oflico would enable meetings to take place cvery year if desired, whereas on the existing lines we cannot expect to have a meeting for another three years at legust. Such an office woulil cost, including salaries, printing, etc., about Rs. 25,000 por annum; and iſ divided between the State and other railways in proportion to ton-mileage, length of line or in any other way which may liest suit the majority of linea, it rill not, I think, le considered a very rxpensive luxury, and will no loubt greatly facin litate the disposal of the many references constantly being sent up to licado quarters. If the present meeting is to be continues on the old lines, it is for your consideration whether the propo-al mentioned above slould loc introduced for the future. I may liere state that a certain amount of mii-appreliezsinn appears to exist as to Government being desirous throngl these Conferences of increasing its power of interference in the working of companies' lines. I think it is only necessary to refer to last year's priceelings to show that no such desire exists. It will be noticed that amors of State lines were not representing Government, but voted quite independent of each other in the interests of their own lines, and the only purt (jorrorsport has taken in the Conferonce is to accept the decision of the majority of the delegatesa Under these circumstances clicre is no reason to suppose that Government Tould oppose the proposal mentioned above for a Conference independent of it. 1 ·27 APPENDIX NO, o, Note by the Manager, Oudh and Rohilkhand Railway. With reference to Resolution 61* () of the Railway Conference of 1899, Question No 23 regarding the formation of a Standing a yearly Conference • Appendir No. 3. Committee to decide disputed questions, witbapud Secretary the present manner in which disputed questions are circulated for the deci. rnd ofice stoff) sion of the Standing Committee seems capable of improvement. It does not seem possible to represent every side of a question by statements in writing re HI be gu it them from every point of view. Ralliray matters in India are progressing so fast that a Conference once in 3 or in rules pecessary. It is propos slould be slıorter in duration and changes in the resolutions, nfter wil Copimittee to reconcile the var obtain the benefit of all opipions before giving a decision. It is claimed for this menuncni flint a larger number of parties to the Conference would be likely to LAJIU thought that tkr time has come that a complete record olan que us pucer plausus and the pith of the arguments used for and against them should be kept and some continuous history maintained of the Conference proceedings both as a Conference and Standing Committee, and that the winlo literature of the Conference should be properly and systematically edited. It very often happens at the Conference that some member uses as an argument bis remembrance of Trhy such and such resolution was put forward by such and such a man in such and such a year, It ought to be possible in all such cases for the Con. dan to refer at once to a Secretary or a Registrar b statements. As at present conducted, it jable part of these Conferences will be lost, unless each ono individually cursus his own record. The whole proceedings are getting quite big enougli and important enough to deserve some constant factor such as a Registrar or Secretary to edit and compile then. The following issues were framed on the a loro proposal.- (a) Whether it is desirable to establish a yearly Conference with a paid Secretary and ofice staff, and if so, () whether the railways are prepared to contribute towards the costt of keeping up a permanent establishment (C) In the event of (1) being agreed to, on what basis should the total cost be apportiuned between the several railways ? annum Gosert. 18, Told apront of spicient tu > portatco.

·28 APPENDIX No. 6. Extracts from the Proceedings of the Railway Conference of 1900. * Appendix No. 5. The recommendations on Question No 29* (The establishment of a yearly Conference with a paid Secretary and office staff) were next taken up for consideration, Resolution No.37 Proposed by Lieutenant-Oolnuel L. D. Olivier, R.E., seconded by Lieuteaf the Railway Con- nant-Colonel G. F. Wilson, R.E.:- ference of 1900. That a yearly Conference be held with a paid Secretary and office staff; that the latter have their head-quarters at Simla, but that the Conference be held each year at such place as may be determiued on at the previous Conference. Agreed to without dissent. Resolution No. 38 Proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Buro Murdoch, R.E., seconded by of the Railway Con- Lieutenant.Colonel H. D. Olivier, R.E. :- ference of 1900. That the administrations of the various railwnys recommend Government or their Boards to coutribute towards the cost of keeping up the necessary permanent establishment, the cost being apportioned between the several railways in direct proportion to their votivg powers. The approximate cost is believed to be about Rs. 260 per vote per annum. Agreed to without dissent. Extracts from the Proceedings of Commillee No. 1 ( Appendix J to the Proceedings of the Railway Conference of 1:00). XXXIV.-Proposed by Bfr. Spalding and seconded by Mr. Dring :--- That the discussion of Question No. 29 be taken up in full Conference, Amendinent proposed by Alr. Lightfoot and seconded by Lieutenanta Colonel Olivier That issue (a) of Question No. 29 be onw discussed. The Committee divided on the amendment:- Noes--27 roles. Votex. 10 Ayes--62 votes. Votes. J. Burn Murdoch (S. M. ry) 6 E. H. Dwane (Nizam's ry.) W. B. Wright (1. M. and G I. P. rys.) 13 H. D. Olivier (B., B. & C. I. ry.) 9 J. Lightfoot, (E. B, and C. P. Cs' rys.) E. F. Jacob (N. W ry.) 10 A. Izat (B. &. N. W., R. & K. and B. D, 8 8 rys.) F. Dunsterville (Madras ry.). 5 W. H. Dring (E. I. ry.) A. E. P. Gruses (B. N. ry.) G. F. Wilson (O. & R. ry) W. H. Syaiding (S. 1. ry.) 6 7 $ (Mr. W. Drew (E. C. ry.) and Mr. J. Stuart. (A. B. rs.) did not vote.] The amendment was carried, XXXV.--Proposed by Lieutenant Colonel Olivier and seconded by Lipute. nant-Colonel Tilson-Tbat a yearly Conference be held with a paid Secretary and office staff; that the latter have their bead-quarters at Simla, but that the Conference be held each year at such place as may be determined on at the previous Conference.

·APPENDIX No. 6, 29 Lieutenant-Colonel Olivier's proposal was carried, the voting being as follows: Ayer-53 vots. Voter. J. Bard Murdocl (S. M. ry. 6 E. H. Dwade (Vizsm's ty.) 4 W. Drew (E. C. ry.) 4 E, F, Jacob (N, W ry.) 10 H.D. Olivier (B.,B. & . I. ry.) 9 J. Lightfoot (E, B. ry) 6 G. F Wilson (0.& R, ry.) 6 F. Dubsterville (Madras ry.) 5 J. Stuart (A, B, ry.) S [ Mr. W. A. Dring (E. I. ry.), Mr. W. B. Wright (I. M. and G. I. P. rys ), Mr. Tr. II. Spalding (s. I ry.), Mr. A. Izat, CI.E., (B and N. W., R. and K., and B. D. nys) 31r. A. E. P. Graves (B. N. ry.), and Mr. J. Lightfoot (C. P. Cs.' ry.) did not vote.] It was decided by the Committee to proceed with the discussion on issues (1) and (c). Proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel Burn Murdoch, and seconded by Lieute- Dant-Colonel Olivier :- Ant at their Boards nent, the cost oting powe1s. Amendment proposed by Mr. Wright, and seconded by Mr. Izat:- That the proportion of the cost of keeping up a permanent Conference establishment, which would be payable by those railways who are alieady charged a fixed rate for Government supervision and control, skall be borne by Government out of such fixed charge, The Committee divided on the amendment, which was lost on a show of hands. The Committee then divided on the original proposal :- Ayer-69 potes Noes--8 Loter. Votes Votes 6 4 J. Burn Murich (S ry.) A Izat (B. & NW, R. & K.. 8 E. H. Dwane (Nizam's ry.) atid B D. rys) W. Drew (S. C. ry H. D Olivier (B, B.& c. i. ry.) J. Lightfoot (E. B. ry.) G. F. Wilson (0.& R. ry.) E. F. Jacob (N. W. TY) F. Dunsterville (Madras ry.) IV, H. Spalding (s. 1. ry.) J. Stuart (A, B.iy) [ Mr. TT. A. Dring (E. I. ry.), afr. W. B. Wrigbt (I M. and G. I, P. rys.) Mr. A. E. P. Graves (B. N. ry.), and Mr. J. Lightfoot (O. P. Cs.' 15.) did not vote.] Proposal was carried. 9 6 6 10 5 5 S ·30 APPENDIX NO 7. Dxtract from the Proceedings of the Railway Conference of 1900. Resolution No. 3 Proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel J. Burn Murdoch, R.E., seconded by the Railway Con Lieutenant-Colonel G. F. Wilson, R.E.:- rence of 1900. That in Resolution No. 51 which reads as follows (a) Thnt snbject to the reservation in clause (0) bolow, all reguintions (excopt those fixing rates and fores to be enumerated in a list to be subsequently prepared and appended to the final proceedings of this Conferenen) carried at the Rail. way Conference by not less than two-thirds of the votus of the railways wlin' vote shall, subject to confirmation by the Government of India and the Boards of the several railways interested, bo biuding on all railways partics to the Conference Regulations. (6) That after the regulations passed at a Conforonco have been in operation for a period of six months, any railway or railways shall be at liberty, after giving eix months' simultaneous notice to the Secrclary to the Conforence and all railways parties to the Conference, to withdraw from any regulation or regulations. This withdrawal shall only apply to transactions with the railway or railways giving the six months' notice. (c) That all railway administrations who are parties to the Railway Conferonce shall constitute a Standing Committee to decide on disputed questions mising out of Conference rules in force, (d) That railways having such disputes shall submit their cases to the Secretary of the Railway Conference, who shall circulate them to the aforesaid Standing Committee for opinion, and a decision carried by not less than two-thirds of the votes of such Committee shall bave the forco of a Conference Regulation, (e) That in case of the majority being less than as provided for in clause (d), the ques tion ns between the railways concerneil shall, unless those sailways by mutual consent, accept the opinion of the majority of the Conference, bo decided by arbitration. (f) That the scale of voting shall be that adopted at the Railway Conference immediately preceding the referenco, subject to revision from time to time on account of allerations in mileage, etc.* clauses (6) and (f ) be cancelled and that clauses (a) and (d) be modified as shown below :- (a) That all regulations and rulings carried at the Railway Conference of binding by not less than two-thirds of the votes of the railways who vote shall, subject to confirmation of Government of India and the Boards of the several railways concerned, he binding on all railways parties to the Conference. (d) That railways having such disputes shall submit their crecs to the Secretary of the Railway Conference. Then doing so the railway or railwars concertied shall state whether an opinion (not binding) or a ruling (ruling including any new rules, regulations, etc.) is required. The Secretary shall circulate the papers to the aforesaid Standing Committee. If a ruling has been asked for, the ruling, if oarried by not less than two-thirds of the votes of suol Committee, shall have the force of a Conference Regulation until rescinded by another vote of the Railway Traffic Conference or the Standing Committee. Amendment proposed by Mr. E. F. Jacob, C.I.E., seconded by B[r. A. Muirhead : 2 That Resolution No.51 as passed at the Conference of 1899 be non confirmed. The Conference divided on the amendment: Ages-66 votes. Noes-- 18 votes. Votes, Votes. E. H, Dwanc (Nizam's ry.) 5 J. Burn Murdoch (S. M. ry.) 6 W. Drety (E. C. ry.) H. D. Olivier (B., B. & C. I. sy.) 7 W. A. Dring (E. 1. ry.) ? +G. F. Wilson (O. & R. ry.) A. Muirhead (G. I. P. ry.) 7 W.B. Wright (I. M. ry.) 5 J. Lightfoot (E. B, ry.) 5 A. E. P. Graves (B. N. ry.) 5 E. F. Jacob (N. W. ry.) 7 A. Izat (B, and N.-W., R. & K. & B. D. 7 rys.) F. Dunsterville (Madras ry.) 5 W. H. Spalding (S. 1. ry.) 5 J. Stuart (A. B. ry.) Amendment agreed to. * The sentence in italics has since been modified to read as follows: "unless the voting scale shall have been subsequently revised, prior to the reference, when the revised scale shall be adopted. (Railway Conference letter No. 78, dated the 29th July 1901.) . * In the proof of the proceedings of first day's meeting, Lientenant-Colonol G. F. Wilson, R.E., was shown as having voted in favour of Resolution No. 3. At the moeting on 19th September 1900, he pointed 096 that this was an error, and, with the permission of the Conference, his vote was recorded against the Resolution originally intended.

·31 APPENDIX NO. 8. No. 69, dated lith February 1902. From The Agent, Southern Mahratta railway, To-The Secietary, Railway Conference. With reference to correspondence ending with your No. 10,* dated 14th Not printed. January 1902, I have the honour to submit, for reference to the Standing Com. mittee of the Railway Conference, a memorandum, regarding the setion to be taken on the refusal of the Madras railway to abide by their decision, com. municated to you in letter No. Di, 123354 f Fide pages 33 & 31 seg. of 13th November 1901, from the Agent and Manager, Madras railway. Memorandum referred to. w appointeu 1or the purpose of interpreting the meaning of any regulations" **** and also (if considered desirable) to revise under certain precautionary restrictions with immediate effect any regulation which may need revision," etc. 2. The proposals having been considered by Sub-Committee No. 1 the following rules, based on them, were framed, and having been agreed to in full Conference, without dissent, became part of the Conference Regulations. Extract--51 (c) That all railway administrations who are parties to the Railway Conference shall constitute a Standing Committee to decide on disputed questions arising out of Conference rules in force. (d) That railways having such disputes shall submit their cases to the Secretary of the Railway Conference, who shall circulate them to the aforesaid Standing Committee for opinion, and a decision corried by pot less than two-thirds of the votes of such Committec shall bave the force of a Conference Regolation. 3. These rules were confirmed by the Conference of 1900, the Delegte for the Dladras railway again voting in favour of them. 4. The Bladras Railway Company subsequently submitted to the Standing Committee A case for decision, which bad, shortly stated, arison under the following circumstances, gamely: 1-'n- Ya 12 anondonis poemhon isha tha lindage wil.ch freight on parcels and luggage on the local distance of cach railway calculated from the junction with the Vadras miliar. This the Jadras railcas cou. sidered contrary to Conference rules, * Xot priate, aad br letter No. R. 11916, dated Oth February 1900, referred the matter to the Railway Conference for the opinion of the Standing Committee.

·32 APPENDIX NO. 8. 5. The issues raised by the dradras railmar and the roling of the Standing Committee in connection with the questions, are given below. VOTES LECOBDED. No. No. For Grand Indinni Peninsula and Soutliern For Madrns rollway. 1680IS. Jalırnitin Inilayo. (1) Is the Grent Indian Peninsula ndvice | (Coaching) R. 85, dated 6th January 1900, in order ? Yes. (1) Under Conference Regulation 32. (78 votes.) (19 votes) (0) In the absence of dissent from Regulation 53 (I), (9) Wonld the Great Indian Peninsula advice be in order if it had been made to nyiply only to traffic Yes, on which the Jadras railway claim judependent local charges? (es votes) (13 votes) (3) Is the Southern Mahratta railing advice (telegram R. 68 of 9th January 1900) in order ? (a) Under Conference Regulation 92, Yes, No. (78 votes.) (13 votre.) (6) In the absence of dissent from Regalation 53 (h). (1) If the Great Indian Peninsula and the The date on which the Mindras rail- Southern Afnbratta railway's advices are in order froin may notification came into force what date can they be made to take offect ? (70 yotes.) 6. In this connection it will be seen from page 5 of the Proceedings of the Conference of 1900, that dir. Dunsterville, the representative of the Madras railway, in a discussion as regards rules being held to be binding, asked the Members of the Conference to understand that the Dadras Railway Company did not admit that they had in any war broken a Conference Rule, and that in the particular case referred to, the Agent and alanager of the Madras railiray had asked for a fresh reference to the Standing Committee, for the reasons set forth in bis letter of the 10th September 1900 and its enclosures. 7. The Acting Agent and Manager of the Madras railwar br letter No. M. 12335, dated 13th November 1901, addressed to the Secretary of the Railway Conference, not srithstanding that the reference in the case in point had been made to the Standing Committee or that Company, now states that "the Question whether the Hadrus railroay may or may not quote adjusted rates is not one rohich can be appropriately referred to the Standing Committee," and adds that he cannot take further action under that Resolution. 8. The subject of the dispute bas now been referred on three separate occasions (once to the Claims Arbitration Committee of Southern India and twice to the Conference) by the Madras railmay, for a decision, and on all three occasions decisions adverse to that Company rere giren, which they still decline to abide br, in direct contravention of Conference Resolution No.5l of 1899, confirmed by Resolution No. 3 of 1900, the provisious of thich they had accepted. 9. The Conference is noir asked to decide the following issues : First.-The Madras Railway Company having declined to accept the final decision of the Standing Committee on a question referred to that Committee in accordance with Resolution No. 51 (C) & (d) of 1899, whether the Conference will consider the desirability of a reference being made to the Government of India, in view to a settlement of the matter in dispute. Secondly.-Whether the Conference will consider the necessity for not adopting as an addition to Resolution No. 51 of the Conference of 1899, a rule corresponding to the following inle extracted from the English Clearing House Regulations:

·33 APTENDII No. 8. "The corporation hare the power of giring notice to any Company that it shall cease to be a party to the Clearing System in one month from the date of such notice; but the meeting at tohich the resolution to gire nolice is adopted must be specially called for the purpose, and tico-thirds of the members present must concur in it." Thirdly.-In -2..... Madras decisior abide b 1 1 nar No. M. 12335, dated the 13th November 1901. From--The Agent and Manager, Madras railway, To-The Secretary, Railway Conference, I have the honour to refer to your letter No. 60* of 12th June 1901 and • Not printed must first express my regret that it has remained so long unanswered, That letter conveys to me the decision of the Standing Committee of the Con. ference on practically two questions:- (1) Was the issue of Madras railway advice No. 12 of 1899 irregular ? (2) Was the Madras railway in order in charging on fictitious distances ? 2. In regard to the first point, I may remark that, at the time the advice 893 was in force and the advice tras obviously 1, as were equally the whole of the adrices all railways in connection with the introducion of Conferenog Regulations of 1899. They could all be accepted by mutual :onsent only. The only portion of the notice, however, to which exception is not taken, the paragraph referring to local rates having been already cancelled, is the table of equalised mileages. This table with the exception of the addition of one station, Ranipet, was identical with that re-introduced from 1st January 1900 by advico No. 11 of 1899, which was duly notified on the 20th November 1899, under Conference Regulation 32 (a) in the following terms:- COACHING, “Parcels traffic item 1 of advico No. 7 and item 1 of supploment to advice No. 8 of 1898 will be introduced in through booking cia Raichur with effect on and from 1st January, 1900 (paragraph under "Coaching" of advice No. 8 of 1899 is hereby cancelled )." quoalled and the natification in adrice No. 19 in force, the validity or .: ---1. 41 ... The Aladras railway representative dissented at the concernce now Regulation 53 (then 55) (?). The dissent was confirmed by the Board of Directors, tas notificd to all railways by the Management in this country and is duly noted in the oflicial copies of the Conference Regulations. Apparently from footnoto (a) to four letter, the ground on which you refer to the absence of dissent, is that notice of disscnt bad not been giren under Resolution 51 (6) of 1899. But you appear to hare overlooked the fact that this refers to dissent from a binding regulation and that a necessary precedent to a regulation being binding on a railway is the confirmation of its Board, cide Resolution 61 (a) of 1699.

·APPENDIX No. 8. 34 But the Board of the Madras railway not only did not confirm Regulation 53 (1) so as to make it binding but they did confirm a dissent from it, as was presumably necessary to establish such dissent, and hence Regulation 53 (1) of 1899 is not, and has never beon, binding on the Madras railway and no further dissent is tberefore necessary. It follows from this that since Regulation 53 (1) does not, as regards the Madras railway, come under the terms of Resolution 51 (a) of 1899, i.e., is not a binding Regulation, the question whether the Madras railway may or may not quote adjusted rates, is not one which can be appropriately referred to the Standing Committee. 4. My predecessor appears to have referred in the belief that, sinco other railways in Northern India had equalised distancos without objection, the principle would be accepted by the Standing Committee, and he would thus avoid being placed in direct conflict with the Conferenco. I note that his anticipation was so far justified that the decision in regard to the question of adjusted mileages was not approved by the necessary twothirds majority. 5. It appears to me however that in making the reference, tho Dadras railway placed itself in a false position, and the unpleasant duty has therefore devolved upon myself of extricating it therefrom. It is obvious that since the position I havo adopted is that the question is not a suitable one for reference to the Standing Committee under Resolution 51, I cannot consistently take further action under that resolution, and I propose therefore to endeavour to settle the dispute by mutual agrcement with the railways concerned. A copy of this reply has been sent to all railways to whom the reference was made.

·33 APPENDIX NO, O. Delails of the scheme proposed by the Janager, Oudh and Rohilkhand railroay, for the formation of a permanent annual Conference. It is apparent that our labours at the Railway Conference and in the Standiog Committee, as at present constituted, have not so far commanded the confidence of Gorernment; and that, if they are not rendered more effective lif a reconstitution of tlo Conference and Standing Committee, matters will bo taken out of our hands, and Government will tako steps to see that its interests, as tho largest shareholder of railways and as the guardian of the country, do not auffcr. 2. In the words of paragraph 14 of the Sccretary to the Conference's letter Vide appendix No No. 156 of 30th April 1901, " unless railways can como to some better understanding among themselves on matters of rates, and adopt rules which will," T haunfawn. 97 - control and interference, specially in rates questions, 3. It sccmg crident from tho Secretary's letter that the first reform to be nimed at in the reconstitution is the making of the resolutions of the recon. stituted body, whether passed unanimously or by an agreed-upon majority, binding on all the railıcays parties to the new constitution toithout further reference to Gorernment or Board of Directors. It is easy to imagine cases in which a resolution, though in the interests of tho majority of railways, mirtit, haro a prrjudicial effect on the interests of one or more railways pecu. "clect Committee of members (mentioned 1 exceptional exemption or terms as Till meet its requirements. T' 1. Panin-ance Fould consider the case and givo ano next Confer. once, then suck stard ( rence and con. Armed or modificd. --r mattaw in ha considered in the reconstitution is, the imporunin ng in the not becn třcated by be rampiloul for. 47 ' - It -11 0. In order to enable enmulele auulanduvusiu * or dispute referred to decision being arrived at. dienuto will require to be set forts, a. it bear on the subject will bave lo ve may have to be consulted ; and, again, in se Conference or Committee available for futuro rcference, toguluer matu un vue arguments for and against any particular ·36 APPENDIX NO. 9. proposal or dispute, such proceedings will require to be taken down in shorthand and carefully summarised and edited. The schome provides for a permanent Secretary and office to carry tbis out under the direction of a Select Committee of Control, to be elected annually from the railways parties to the Conference or Standing Committee. Provision will have to be made in the scheme for the salary of the Secretary, his ollice establishmont, office house-rent, printing and contingencies. 7. These seem the main points that require attention in the reconslitution of the Committee, and it is only left now to put forward a schemo as a basis for discussion at the meeting to be beld at Simla as mentioned in the Secretary's letter, paragraph 17. SCHILDE. That instead of a Railway Conference presided over by an officer appointed by Government, a Railway Conference or Standing Committee presided orer by a President elected from its members be constituted- (1) to consider all questions referred to it by Government, railways parties to the Conference, or the public; (2) to arbitrate between railways in all disputes or questions of through or competitive rates; (3) to interpret all disputed readings of Conference rules, decisions, and awards. 2. The Conference shall consist of a delegate from each railway open for traffic in India. Besides the one delegato, other officers of railways, by desire of Agents or Managers, may attend the meeting, but they can take no part in the proceedings. The President shall be elected from the members of the Conference, shall hold office for one year and shall direct the proccedings of the Conference and vote, remaining as President till his successor is elected the following year. 3. That this Conference or Standing Committee meet at least once a year on the first Monday in September, at such place as may be determined upon at the previous meeting, and shall sit till all the questions that have been referred to it have been decided, or until otherwiso agreed upon. 4. That a permanent Secretary, with suitable office establishment, be ap. pointed under a Select Committee of members (such Committee to consist of three members including the President) to duly record and edit the proceedings of the Conference or Committee and perform all the ollice work pertaining thereto. The head-quarters of the Secretary and bis office shall be The Secretary sball not be a member of the Conference. 5. Two-thirds of the members of the Conference, including the President, sball form a quorum. The hours of business shall be from 11 o'clock to 16 o'clock, Saturdays and Sundays excepted. 6. All decisions of the Committee carried by a majority of one-third of the votes of those voting shall be binding on railways parties to the Conference or Standing Committee, and shall come into force three months after the publication of the proceedings, except as provided for in clause 7 below. (a) The scale of votes for each railway will be that passed in the Oonference immediately preceding the one at which votes are taken, and shall be based on the method of calculation agreed upon at the Conference of 1900. 7. In the event of any railway or railways finding that the decision of the majority affects them so adversely as to press for revision or modification in their case, such railway or railways must take action on the decision under rule 6, but may, within three months after the publication of the proceedings of the Conference, refer in writing their grievance to the Select Committee of members mentioned in paragraph 4 for consideration. Such reference shall set forth the case in full and must be in print and shall be accompanied by a fee of Rs. 400 to cover expenses and to provide a fee to each of the three members of 1 ·87 APPENDIX No. 9. the Select Committee for their work as arbitrators. Tho Select Committee :h shall be binding till the next the full Conference and the (@) The lodgment of an appeal under rulo 7 against any resolution of the Conferonce shall not defor action on such resolution pending the decision on the appeal to the Select Committee. . 41 unglinne in pignorint the . 11 Azcan of for holding tho Conferenco, othermiso they will be omitted from the discussions unless specially admitted by a yote in Conferenco. 0. That the railways parties to the Conference or the Standing Committee bill dofray the expenses conoccted with tbo conduct of business in a manner Thaddal antimaind yearly expenditure 1 of the Conference, on dord gauge line might make an annaal payment of Ro. 1 per milo open, each metre gaugo aonas 12 per milc open, all other gauges annas 8 per milo open. It is also suggested ibat a railmas referring any point, other than an appeal from a resolution, for circulation and decision of the Standing Committee shall deposit the sum of Rs. 100 to cover printing and circulating charges. The approximate cost of cstablishing the office of the Conference with the Sccrctary is cnclosed. Monthly Angoally, Rs. A. P. R., A. P. Secretary (No. 1,000 to Ro. 1,500) 1,500 0 0 18,000 0 0 Clerhe 250 0 0 8,000 0 0 2 Typewriting clerks and short-band writers, at Rs. 60 cach 100 0 1.200 0 0 1 Daftri 20 00 240 8 Menials 21 00 252 00 00cc rent 80 0 0 720 00 Printing, stationery, contingencies 5,000 0 0 28,412 0 0 Firat cost of equipment and furnitore, ioclading two Remington type meitrag machines 4,000 0 0 0 0 0 ·38 APPENDIX No. 10. Dated the 6th January 1902. From--Major H. Boxhan-Carten, R.Ė., Acting Agent and Manager, Madras railway, To-The Secretary, Railway Conference. Your letter No. 129, dated December * Tide page 20 ante. 20th, 1901. I venture to make the following remarks with referouce to tho proposed Conference on the 20th instant, but in doing so wish it to be understood that I make them as an individual and not as Agent of tire ladras railway speaking as the mouth piece of the Board. My object is to clear up certain points which appear obscure or uncertain and to endeavour to assist in arriving at a more satisfactory state of affairs than is described in the first paragraph of your letter under reply 2. In the first instance, it would scem desirablo that the Gorernment of India be asked to state generally, but authoritatively, the extent to which they are prepared to depute their powers to the Couference, that is to say, low far the Conference is to be allowed unfettered discretion in dealing with questions referred to it, or how far it is to be bound by certaiu principles to be laid dotyn by Government. As an illustration of my meaning, I would refer to the question of the fixing of rates and fares. 3. In paragraph III of the observations to Public TForks Departmentt Reso: lution No. 1416 R. T., dated December + Not printed 12th, 1887, laying down the principles upon which rail vaps Tere to be allowed a frco land in varying rates and fares within tho maxima and minima of the respective classes, it is stated :- “In granting this freedom, however, it is assumed that the English Clearing House principle, that in the case of two competitiro routes between two stations, the Company owning the slortest route fixes the rate, is accepted.' This principle, so far as applicable to rates between junctions, iras embodied in the Conference Regulations of 1888, 1893 and 1999, but was cancelled at the Conference of 1900 without objection from Goveroment. Again, as regards parcels rates, Gorernment laid down, it is heliered, in one instance on a reference from the Southern Mahratta railway that througli parcels rates were not to be equalised : but in other cases parcels rates have been equalised by State lines and lines over which Gorernment has control in such matters without objection from Goreromeat. 4. It must be admitted that the results of the reference to the Boards show that the proposal to vest the Conference with large absolute potrers is Tierrec with some apprebension, and a part of this apprehension is, I think, due to the action of tbe Conference itself in practically endeavouring to force conformity with Conference Regulations upon railways irrespective of any dissent recorded either by the representatives in India or the Boards. This action, so far as information is available in this office, goes considerably beyond the practice of any of the Committees or Conferences of the Rail- Tay Clearing House in England, and while the circumstances no doubt differ largely from the existence in India of the very large control possessed by the Secretary of State over Indian railways, I venture to think that the fears of the Boards would be considerably allayed by a definite pronouncement of policy on the part of the Government of India. 5. While alive to this aspect of the question, I am none the less sensible of the difficulty, that if any advantage is to be obtained from a set of Conference Regulations, it must not be made too easy for a rail way to dissent from them; but it should not be impossible to arrive at a compromise without enforcing against a railway, which felt bound to dissent from a particular regulation, the ·39 APPENDIX No. 10. extreme penalty of exclusion from the Conference a penalty which could often place the constituents of an offending railway in a position, for which, in England, they could obtain legal redress. 6. It occurs to me that a possible modus vivendi would be arrived at by the Government of India laying down certain definite powers which it was prepared to depute to the Conference and certain principles by which it should Þe guided, and that an appeal from any decision of the Conference, either on the ground of its being ullra vires or in contravention of these principles, should lie to the Government of India. Such an appeal might be decided either by the Government of India or by - lodged in the first mplaints; the costs or tbe Conference in . : 7. In the absence of any definite pronouncement of policy on the part of Government, it is difficult to make any suggestion as to the powers to be giren to the Conference or the principles br Thich they should be guided, and it is perhaps liardly proper that I should do so. In order, however, to invite discussion, I may say that my understanding of the subject, with perhaps an .. th... Cronmnnt desire to transfer to a properly or certain questions affecting nal to discharge to some extent the various Committees of the Clearing House in England. To exercise these powers and discharge these un lindor hp the nrinninles laid down in the Rail. deputing powers regardopinion, reasonably and advantageously insist af unoh nmnonlee as the fixing of rates up to a limit of ted, and the division 1.4:1. . ---L-AN 8. Some of the Boards have insisted that their approval of any subject to be referred to the Conference should be obtained prior to the reference being made. Such objections are doubtless due to a tant of confidence in the Conference Thich would be largely removed if Government would sco its way to the imposition of some such conditions as I have suggested and the constitution of a court of appeal.

·40 APPENDIX No. 11, Rules for the conduct of business at the Railway Traffic Conference of 1902. The rules for the conduct of business shall be as follows: (1) To consider the proposal regarding the establishment of a permanent annual Conference independent of Government, with a paid Secretary and a President to be elected annually by the members and to frame rules in cases in which they are needed. (2) The Committee shall consist of a President appointed by the Government of India who shall direct the proceedings, one officer appointed by each railway administration working a line in India, and a Secretary to the Conference, to be nominated by the Government of India. (3) The voting power of each delegate will be determined with reference to the importance of the railway he represents. (4) Railway officers, other than delegates, attending the meeting shall also be eligible to serve on any of the sub-committees. The proceedings of sub-committees shall have no force until confirmed by a full Conference or quorum. (5) Two-thirds of the members of the Conference, including the President, shall form a quorum. (6) The hours of business shall be from 11 o'clock till 16 o'clock daily, Saturdays and Sundays excepted.

·41 APPENDIX No. 12, Scale for roles on mileage basis. 1 vote, 2 votes > 12 . Not exceeding 250 miles Above 250 to 500 3) 500 to 750 750 to 1,000 1,000 to 1,500 Above 1,500 to 2,000 miles 9,000 to 2,500 2,500 to 3,000 » 3,000 6 votes 7 8 12 3 > 31 • 4 5 9 . 7 patet, ) Scale for votes on freight ton-mileage basis Not exceediog 10 million freight Abore 250 million to 400 million ton-miles 1 vote. freight ton-miles Above 10 million to 50 million Above 400 million to 600 million freight ton-miles 2 votes. freight ton-miles 8 Above 50 million to 100 million Above 600 million to 800 million freight ton-miles 3 freight ton-miles 9 Above 100 million to 150 million Above 800 million to 1,000 million freight ton-miles freight ton-miles 10 Above 150 million to 200 million Above 1,000 million to 1,500 million freight ton-miles 5 freight ton-miles 11 Above 200 million to 250 million Above 1,500 million freight ton. freight ton-miles 6 miles 12 > 9) AP Ballwu. Mileage open and under BODA Tuction on the 31st December 1000. Ball number of rotes on mileage Dus Actaal freight toQ-10 ileage for 1900, Ball varber of Toten on trought ton esgo basi Total nambut of roto for each dolegate 2,356) 31 2,103,392,89G 6 10 East Zodinn Bombay, Baroda and Central India Gront Indian Peninsula (a) 2,8861 4 2,086,571,582 61 2,799) 6} 1,032,888,979 763,782,407 North Western 9 3,8331 1,3311 Bengal and North-Western 21 2} Robilkund kad Kamaon 285 1 1 153 153,742,800 27,895,603 1,427,442 $68,248,326 297, 158,079 1,7181 3 4 Bengal Dooan Bengal-Nagpur (8) Madras (6) Eastern Bengal 1,503) S st 7 1,0487 23 263,258,856 31 6 1,5911 Southern Muratts 3 8 2] 1,1491 2! Oudh and Robil band 8 G 21 BOTS 21 185,601,093 211,219,299 177,239,916 115,727,626 168,241,363 6 1,9924 1,365 21 2 South India 5 736 11 21 34,412,866 1 His Highness the N128m'. Guaranteed Stato. Anim.Bengal Bengal Central Calcatta Tort Commissioners' 1971 18,645,747 1 2 1 } 1 81 (5) Includes the Indlad Midland railway (8) Isolates the portion of the Esst Coast rullway inorrporated into the system with effect from the 1st Jurong 1902. In the www.f freight tou metgo the egares have been dided in the ratio of mileage transterred to each yetem () Information not fals For the grepose et cu eatst.g the voting powers, tha aggregate freight ten paleage bug Desa takot poder 10 millon, ·42 APPENDIX No. 13. Vide RESOLUTION NO. 2 OF THE FULL CONFERENCE OT 24TIL TEBRUARY 1902. Proceedings of the Committee of the full Conference on 24th February 1902, afternoon. 1st meeting, afternoon of 24th February 1902. PRESENT : A. IZAT, Esq., C.I.E., Bengal and North-TV' cstern, Rohilkund and Kumaon and Bengal Dooars railways, President. Lieutenant-COLONEL H. D. OLIVIEN, R.E., W. B. T'RIGIIT, Esq., Trafic Manager, South. Agent, Bombay, Baroda and Central India ern Mahratta railcay. railroay. J. Maxsox, Esq., Oficialing Manager, Onda T. R. WYNNE, Esq., Agent and Chief Zu: aud Rohilkhand railscay. gineer, Bengal-Nagpur railroay. J. Dovolas, Esq., Agent, Last Indian railcay. W. PENDLEBUNY, Esq., Agent and Manager, A, T, GOODIELLOW, Esq., Agent, Burma rail- Nican's Guaranteed Slale railway. way. Major A. D. G. SHELLEY, R.L., Agent, South C. H. IT'INDLE, Esq., Trafic Manager, Calcutta Indian railroay. Port Commissioners' railscay. MAJOR H. Bonsad-Canten, R.L., Agent and N. S. Stracey, Esq., Agent, i A83 an-Bengal Manager, Aadras railroay. railway. H. P. Buit, Esq., Officialing Manager, E. r. Jacon, Esq., C.I.E., Trafic Superin. Eastern Bengal State railway. Tendent, North Weslern rai'ray. H. WENDEN, Esq., Agent, Great Indian E. W.11, Starles, Esq.,, Agent and Chief Peninsula railway. Engineer, Bengal Central railscay, A, W. U. Pope, Esq., Traffic Superintendent, Oudh and Rohilkhand railway, Secretarg. Also attended- G. V. MARTYN, Esq., Consulling Engineer for C. A. R, CROSMELIN, Esq., General Traffic Railroays, Burma. Manager, Bombay, Baroda and Central E, W. ARI'NDEL, Esq., B.A., Consulting Hingi. India railway. neer to the Government of India for Rail. W. A. Deing, Esq., General Traffic Manager, East Indian railway. J. Stuart, Esq., Traffic Manager, desam- Bengal raslway. A, MUIRHEAD, Esq., General Traffic Manager, J. WALKER, Esq., Traffic Manager, Bengal Great Indian Peninsula railway. and North-Western railway. F. C. LITTLE, Esq., Assistant Trafic Superin-| D. Ross-Johnson, Esq., Traffic Manager, Madras railway. tendent, Bengal Central railway. A. M. CLARK, Esq., Acting Traffic Manager, W. M. SIMPSON, Esq., Chief Auditor, South Bengal-Nagpur railway. Indian railroay. ways, Assam. The meeting unanimously elected Mr. Izat as President, and Mr. Pope as Secretary, - Resolution No. 1.-The President then put to the Committee whether the voting at the Committee should be on the scale laid down in appendix No. 12, page 41, of the Railway Conference Proceedings of 1902. The Committee voted on the questioni i ·43 APPENDIX No. 13. . . 1 Syer-85 rolet. Nors-2 rotes. Yotes Votes R. S. Strachey (A. B. ry.) 3 E, W. K, Staples (B. C. ry.) A. Izat (B. and N.-W., R. and K, and B, D. ) 8 H. D. Olivier (B., B. and C. I. ry.) 10 H. Windle (C. P. Cs.'17.) H. P. Bart (E. B. ry.) 6 J. Douglas (E. I.rs.) . 10 H. Wendea (G. I, P. ry.) . 10 11. Boubim-Carter (Madias ry.) 7 W. Pendlebury (Nizam's ry.) 4 E. F. Jacob (N. W. ry.) J. Manson (0, and R. ry.) 6 W. B. Wright (S. M ry.) 8 A. D. G. Ebelley (S. 1. r9.) [ Mr. T. R. Wynne (B. N. ry.) and Mr. A. T. Goodfellow (Burma ry.) did not vote.) The question was decided in the alirmative. 9 . 5 . . d . Resolution No. 2.- The President then put to the meeting whether the Resolutions of the Committee were to be considered as carried on a bare majority. The Committee roted on the question :- Ayes-73 coles. Noes-21 votes. Votes. Yotos A. Izut (B. and N.-W., R. and K. and R. 3. Strachey (A. B. ry.) S B. D. tys.) 8 E. W. H. Staples (B, C, ry.) 2 T. R. Wynne (B. N. ry.) 7 H. Wenden (G. 1 P.ry) 10 HD, Olivier (B., B. and C. I. ry.) . 10 W. B. Wright (S, M, ry.) 8 C. H. Windle (C. P. Cs. ry.) 1 H. P. Burt (E. B. ry.) 8 J. Douglas (E. I. rs.) . 10 H, Bonbam Carter (Madras ry.) 7 W. Pendlebury (Nizam's ry.) 4 E F. Jacob (N. W. ry.) 9 J, Manson (0, and R, 18) A. D. G. Shelley (S. 1. ry.) [Mr. A. T. Goodfellow (Burma ry.) did not vote.] The question was decided in the affirmative. . . . Resolution No. 3.- Proposed by Mr. Bart and seconded by Mr. Pendle. bury :- That the permanent Conference agreed to in Resolution No. 2 of the fall Conference be called "The lodian Railway Association." Amendment proposed by Mr. Douglas, seoonded by Lieutenant.Colonel Olivier, R.E. :- That the name of the permanent Conference be " The ladian Railway Conference The Committes divided on the amendment :- ·APPENDIX NO. 13. 44 . • . Totes, 7 5 6 7 . . . . Ayes-65 voles. Nocs-34 votes. Totes, R. S. Strachey (A. B. ry.) 3 T. R. Wynne (B. N. ry.). A. Izat (B. and N.-W., R. and K, and A.'T. Goodfellow (Burma ry.) B. D. rys.) 8 H. P. Burt (E. B. ry.) E. W. H. Staples (B. C. ry.) 2 H. Bonham-Carter (Madras ry.) H. D. Olivier (B., B, and C.I. ry.) 10 W. Pendlebury (Nizam's ry.) C. H. Windle (C. P. Csi' ry.) 1 A. D. G. Shelley (S, I. ry.) J. Douglas (E. I. ry.) H. Wenden (G. I. P. ry.) 10 E. F. Jacob (N. W. ry.) 9 J. Manson (O. and R. ry.) 6 W. B. Wright (S. M. ry.) 6 Mr. Douglas' amendment was carried. 5 . 10 . t . . . . D. rys.) i Resolution No. 4.--Proposed by Mr. Manson, seconded by Major Shelley, R.E.:- That the Indian Railway Conference should consist of one Delegate from each railway, party to the Conference, and should be presided over by a President, elected annually from amongst the Delegates, and that there should be a permanent paid Secretary, selected by the Conference, and the necessary office establishment. The Committee voted on the proposal :- Ayes-B9 votes. Votes. R.S. Strachey (A. B. ry.) 3 A. Izat (B. and N.-W., R. and K. and B. 8 E. W. H. Staples (B. C. ry.). 2 T.R. Wynne (B. N. ry.) 7 H. D. Olivier (B., B. and C. I. ry.) 10 A. T. Goodfellow (Burma ry.) 5 C. H. Windle (C. P. Cs.' ry.) H. P. Burt (E. B. ry.). 6 J. Douglas (E. I. ry.) 10 H. Bonbam-Carter (Madras ry.) 7 W. Pendlebury (Nizam's ry.) 4 E. F. Jacob (N. W. ry.) 9 J. Manson (O. and R. ry.) 6 W. B. Wright (S. M. ry.) 6 A. D. G. Shelley (S. I. ry.) 5 (Mr. H. Wenden (G. I. P. ry.) did not vote.] Mr. Manson's proposal was carried. . 1 1 . solation Confer- Resolution No. 5.–Proposed by Mr. Wright and seconded by Mr. Wynne :- That the administrations of the various railways recommend Government or their Boards to contribute towards the cost of keeping up the necessary permanent establishment, the cost being apportioned between the several railways in direct proportion to their voting powers. Carried unanimously. Resolution No, 6.-Proposed by Major Shelley, R.E., seconded by Major Bonham-Carter, R.E.:- Tbat in the case of those railways which pay for Government audit, control, etci, their share of Conference expenses should be paid by Government from such contribution. Amendment proposed by Mr. Manson, seconded by Mr. Goodfellow:- That this question be not cousidered by the Committee..

·45 APPEXDII No. 13. The Committee divided on the amendment : Vatns 10 Age: -57 voles. Noa-42 fotes. Yates, R. S. Stracbey (A, B. 15.) A. Izat (B. ad N.15., R and K. and TR. Wyane (B. Nry.) B. D. 198.) H.D. Olivier (B, B. and C. I. 15.) . 10 2. W. H. Staples (B. C. 17.) A. T. Goodfellow (Borma rs.) J. Douglas (E. I. yu) C. H. Windle (C. P. Cs.' ry) 1 H. Tendea (G. 1. P. 15.) . 10 H. P. Bart (E. B. 15.) 6 H, Bonharo-Carter (Mladras ty.) W. Pendlebury (Nizam's ry.) A. D. G. Shelley (s. 1.15.1 E F. Jacob (N, W.ry) 9 J. Manson (O. and R. ry.). 6 W. B. Wright (S M. ry) 6 Mr. Napson's amendment was carried. . . . 5 . 2nd meeting, 11-30 A.M., on 25th February 1902. MB, Dring, General Traffic Manager, East Indian railway, voted in place of Mr. Douglas, Agent. Mr. O. E. VINING, Traffic Superintendent, Eastern Bengal State railway, voted in place of Mr. Burt, Officiating Manager. The minutes of the first meeting held on the afternoon of 24th February 1902 were read and confirmed. 8 Resolution No. 7.- Proposed by Mr. Trope and seconded by Bfr. Wright:- That the proposal and amendment before the meeting be sererally vofel ou as whole and not in detail at this stuge. The Committee voted on the proposal :- Ayes—61 roles. Noes--39 roles, Yotes E, W. II, Staples (B. C. ry.) 2 R. S. Straebey (A, B.rs.) T.R. Wgane (8. N. ry.) A. Izat (B. and N.-W., R. and K, and H. D. Olivier (B., B.and C. I. rs.) B, D. rys) A. T. Goodfellow (Burma ry.) 5 5. A. Dring (E. I. ry.) C. H. Windle, (C. P. Cs.' *y) H. Wenden (G. I. P. ry.) . 10 € C. E. Viping (E. B. ry.) 1 H. Borbata-Carter (Madras rs.) 1. Pendlebury (Nizam's ry.) E F. Jacob (N. 1.7.) J. Mladson (O. and R. F.) 6 W. B. Wright (S. M. ry.). 6 3 A. D. G. Shelley (S. 1. ry.) Wr. Wyone's proposal was carried, . 10 . 4 9 Resolution No. 8.Proposed by dr. Iyone and seconded by Jr. Good. fellot 1. That the functions of the Conference be to deal with all matter connected with Railsay affairs tbat may be referred to it. They shall deal situ- (a) All questions that the old Railssay Conferéace deslt with (6) All questions that Agents and lasagere under their porrent may reler, (c) All questions that Agents andes orders from their Boards may refer, (1) All questions that Managers under the order of the Goveromeat of Tajia may refer. (e) All questions that tbe Government of India and Boards ot Railways pay mataaliy agree to refer All questions referred to them by the public, pablic bodies and Local Gorers. mente.

·LINII Ya. 13. 2. That the power of the Conference ben Thai onimaties servei 10 then for opnioa the Conferens shall make sneh TipTEstation as they marihind it That 30 til neins relatdi tu the Conference is: angol, the decision of the Conierens to be dead Sinding da all altars in the base of general questions and in the stars as to the re'erede ja ühe case of special metersbes. To enable the Conference to Carry out these porters it is proposed- That the Agents sai Matissers drilaats 2:1 to 2cornt the decision of 1be Comments on sil gastos cierred to iben lob are within the moters oi gents in Managers to de That the Sraids of Isilsats besked to Ted 10 Rept ise aerision of the Conference na monestions that the Boards mar order their Agents to reier to the Coalerence. munt she Gorert, mert of inais be asked to agra to snapt ihe decision of the Corinnen in all gnostias likt Nieders may seer to the Conference under the hans olie Gituimmedi 3 inuline That the Government of India be asked to presto cent ihe decision of irre Corbera Tad jn al ostidas Gorert ment may seem them for decision. hartans des nf the Conference be ia force for one year only ni be reconsidered 38 and no ime. 3. That ia Toiing da gnxädas put before the Conference the Totins poter di esch rail tario da ona tore only irrespecrire of its mileage and traüc aad ibai a.ch caestioa be decide on ihe majority of Totes Amendment nroposed by Mr. Tandon and seconded by Lieutenant-Colonel OHTier, B.E.: 1. Tharibe Osafedne ate ter to mais. Oncel or add to the Conference Rernaufis as ZIT noemtPo moscaians, canoellations or aääitāons to be binding ties past fashi the dial voies ci all members Prestati, tad vari cozisnej br the Bordsch Directors omnesani, The Conference to fare pater to dispose ois under the regalatoes that may be in foron si the time, times arising ent of those regalations, made to them, the deasion of a gd nority being lindtagnikont the confirmation prorided on 1. S. The Concieras to bate tbe PITET ) arbitrate also in any oüher matter than 0.- Tedding parties mctually erre to nske reference to its Seasons tagerland 2.0 S to be desded only at the annual Conferenca, sad that ibers may be rime for papers to se iniis eonsidered by nil members, no referendu in he was later than oas monta datore the date ised for ihe assembly of ibe Cintained The Annael Corees to bate potar i 2371 ?oz soch evidence as it considers DITT tu sandieši to time to desistoas ja on es referred to it, 5. In a mat ni trener, at the entral tegnest oi oyatending parties, the Conierenta in here the pottery throach iia President, io dominate two or more members to tat, the decisida of soch erbitratos being binding musiitie cegasi di Government, OT 505 litar paris to the Conference, the Coifer- Enre will reord an opinion on any onestion ferrea to it-be general rales * -pulations, mais conscted with the quaerul liabiery of rail sats under the last, os ibe interpretatida of rules and rorking agreements. S. The decision ja enses of meeronde to be lor a fra majority based on the scale of TOTES sapizi ai the Conferendo preceding The Danistes divided on the amendment:- 2195-mics och 51 motor Totes 1 3 . 5 S. Serashey (4. 3.7.) E. 7. H. Sasples (3. C. 75.) A. TIt (3.ena Y-T 1.223 5.1.0d 3. T. R. Trade (B. N. y.) D. TYS A. T. Goodfellor (Barmn .) F. D. Ditis (3., 3. ond C. I.T.) C.H. Tiogle (C. P. Cs.' T-> 1.5. Diing (E. I. 9.) C. E. Tining (E. B. TT.) 6, Tenues E.I.PT) 10 9. Pendlebars (Wiesn's TT-) 1. Soden-Cerer learns T-) E. F. Jacob N, T, 15.) J. Inson (0. and S.T.) T, B. Tigli (S, MTS) A. D. G. Stelle (I.T.) M. Teden's amendmeni Tas lost. 5 ·47 APPENDIX No. 13. The Committee tben voted on Nr. Tynne's original proposal as a whole at this stage: Ayes-46 roles, Noes-53 zotes. Votes. Voks E. W. H. Staples (B. C. Iy) 2 R. S. Stracbey (A, B, ry.} 3 T. R. Wynne (B. N. ry.) 7 A. Izat (B. and N-15., R and K, and A. T. Goodfellow (Burma ry) B. D. rys) 8 C. H. Windle (C. P. C..' ry.) 1 H. D. Olivier (B, B. and C. I. ry.) 1 10 C. E, Viniog (E. B. ry.) 6 W, A, Dring (E, I, ry.) . 10 W. Pendlebury (Nizam's ry.) H. Tenden (G I P. ry) .80 E. F. Jacob (N. WY.ry.) 9 H. Bonham Carter (Madras ry) 7 J. Manson (0, and R ry) 6 A, D. G. Shelley (S. I. ry.) W. B. Wright (S. M. ry.) 8 Dr. Wynno's proposal was lost. 5 . . . 5 Resolution No. 9.-Proposed by Lieutenant-Colonel Olivier, R.E, seconded by Major Shelley, R.E :- That Mr. Wynne's proposal in Resolution No. 8 be taken as a basis of discussion. First anrendment proposed by Major Bonbam.Carter, R.E., seconded by Mr. Walker: 1. 2. The Conference to bave power to dispose of, tinder the regulations that may be in force at the time, all references, arising oat of those regulations, made to them, the decision of a frd majority being binding without the confirmation provided in 1. 8. The Conferenco to have the power to arbitrate also on any other matter when contending parties mutually agree to make reference to it. 4. References under 1 and 2 to be decided only at the annual Conference, and that there may be time for papers to be fully considered by all members, no reference to be made later than one mouth before the date fixed for the assembly of the Conference, 5. The appual Conference to have power to call for such evidence as it considers necessary to enable it to arrive at decisiuns in cases referred to it. 6. In a he Conference members to 7. At the request of Government, or any railway party to the Conference or any public body, the Conference will record an opinion on any matter connected with railway aars which may be referred to it, 8. The decision in all cases of reference to be by a frd majority based on the scale of Yotes adopted at the Conference preceding. 2nd amendment proposed by Mr. Jacob, seconded by Dir. Tynne: - That the matter be referred to a Select Comınittee of seven who will formulate proposals and place them before the Committee. The second amendment by Mr. Jacob was carried unanimously. The following gentlemen were elected as members of the Select Committee:- Mfr. Wynne, Lieutenant-Colonel Olivier, R E., Mr. Tzat, Mr. Muithead, Mr. Mausou, Mr. Drog and M. Jacob, with M, Pope as Secretary, ·APPENDIX No. 13. 48 3rd meeting, 12 noon, on 26th February 1902, Mr. Vining, Traffic Superintendent, Eastern Bengal State railway, voted in place of Mr. Burt. Mr. Jabez Lightfoot, Auditor, Bengal and North-Western railway, also attended. The minutes of the second meeting were read and confirmed. The Select Committee, elected in accordance with Resolution No. 9. of 25th February 1902, submitted its report, vide appendix No. 14. . . . • 6 . . Resolulion No. 10.- Proposed by Mr. Izat as Chairman of the Solect Committee, and seconded by Major Bonham-Carter, R.E.:- That the proposals of the Select Committee as embodied in their report be adopted. Amendment proposed by Mr. Wynne and seconded by Mr. Goodfellow:- That this Committee is unable to put forward a scheme to carry out the suggestions made in the address of the Presidont of the full Couference, and is of the opinion that the Government of Iudia should themselves create a body to deal with the objeots they desire. The Committee divided on the amendment: dyes--18 votes. Noes-81 roles. Votes. Votes. T. R. Wynne (B. N. ry.) 7 R. S. Strachey (A. B. rs.) 8 A. T. Goodfellow (Burma ry.) 5 A. Izat (B. and N.-W., R. and K. and J. Manson (O. and R. ry.). B. D. ryb.). 8 E. W. H. Staples (B. C. ry.) 2 H. D. Olivier (B., B, and C. I. ry.) 10 C. H. Windle (C. P. Cs.' ry.) 1 C. E. Vining (E. B. ry.). J. Douglas (E. I. ry.) 10 H. Wenden (G. I. P. ry.) 10 H. Bonham-Carter (Madras ry.) 7 W. Pendlebury (Nizam's ry.) E. F. Jacob (N. W. ry.) W. B. Wright (S. M. ry.) 6 A. D. G. Shelley (S. J. ry.) Mr. Wynne's amendment having been lost, the Committee voted on the original proposal :-- Ayes-70 votes. Noes--29 votes. Votes. Votes. R. S. Strachey (A, B. ry.) 3 T. R. Wynne (B. N. ry.) 7 A. Ieat (B. and N.-W., R. and K. and B. A, T. Goodfellow (Burma ry.) 5 8 E. W. H. Staples (B. C. ry.) C. E. Viping (E. B. ry.) 6 2 J. Manson (O. and R. ry.) 6 H. D, Olivier (B, B, and C. I, ry.) 10 A. D. G, Shelley (s. 1. ry.) 5 C. H. Windle (C. P. Cs. ry.) 1 J. Douglas (E. I. ry.) . 10 H. Wenden (G. I P. ry.) 10 H. Bonham-Carter (Madras railway) 7 W. Pendlebury (Nizam's ry.) E. F, Jacob (N. W. ry.) 9 W. B. Wright (S. M. ry.) 6 . . . . D. rys.) 0 . . . . op Mr. Izat's proposal was carried.

·APPENDIX No. 13, Rcsolution No. 11.--Proposed by Dr. Wright, seconded by Major Shelley, R.E. That the Conference shall bave the poter of giving notice to any railway that it shall cease to be a party to the Conference in one month from the date of such notice; lut the meeting ia which the resolution to give notice is adopted must be specially called for the purpose, and the resolution must be passed by not legs than two-thirds of the total votes of the members present. Anondment proposed by Mr, Jacob, seconded by Mfr. Wynne :- That Mr. Wright's proposal be not discussed by the Committee. The Committeo divided on the amendment: Ayes-60 roles, Noes-13 votes. Votes R. S. Straches (A. B. ry.) 3 E, W. H. Staples (B C rg) 2 A Izat (B, and N.-TV, R. and K. and IV. B. Wright (8 M. ry.) в D, rув.) 8 A. D. G Shelley ($. I ry.) 5 T. R. WYJune (B. N. 15.) 7 A.T, Goodfellow (Burma ry.) 5 C. II. Windle (C.P. Cs.'ry.) 1 C.E. Voning (E. B rs.) II. Wenden (G. I. P. ry.) II. Bonham-Carter (Madras ry.) W. Pendlebury (Nizım'a ry.) 4 I, F, Jacol (N. TY. ry) 9 Voter, 8 . 8 . 10 . į Lieutenant-Colonel II. D. Olivier, R.E. (B., B. and C. I. ry:), Mr. J. D«uglas (E. I. ry.), and Mr. J. Manson (O. and R. ry.), did not vote.) Mr. Jacob's amondment was carried. Resolution No. 19,--Proposed by air. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Pendlebury: That the Committee now submit its proceedings to the full Conference foi adoptron. Carried unanimously, 4th meeting, 11-15 A.M., on 27th February 1902. The minutes of t na hata ny the 26th February 1902 were read are herewith submitted to the full A IZAT, Chairman. A. W. U. POVE, Secretary The 27th February 1902.

·:50 APPENDIX No. 14. Meeting of the Select Committee. Afternoon of 25th February 1902. Vide RESOLUTION No. 9 OF THE 2ND MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE ON 25Ta FEBRUARY 1902. .. PRESENT : A. Izar, Esq., C.I.E., Bengal and North-17 estern, Rohilkurd and Kumaon and Bengal Dooars railways, Chairman. T, R. WYNNE, Esq., Bengal-Nagpur railway. Lieut.-Col. H. D. OLIVIER, R.E., Bombay, Baroda and Central India railway. E. F. JACOB, Esq., C.I.E., North Western railway. J. MANSON, Esq., Oudh and Rohilkhand railroay. W. A. DRING, Esq., East Indian railway. A. MUIRHEAD, Esq., Great Indian Peninsula railway, A. W. U. Pope, Esq., Oudh and Rohilkhand railway, Secretary. Resolution No. 1.-The Select Committee resolved to recommend the Committee to agree that the functions of the Railway Conference bem (1) to consider all questions referred to it by Government, railways parties to the Conference, or public bodies, excluding questions of rates and fares.* (2) to arbitrate between railways in all disputes, when called upon to do so by mutual consent; + (3) to interpret all readings of Conference rules, decisions, and awards; (4) to alter or cancel existing Conference rules and make such new ones as may from time to time be required. (5) In all matters referred to it under (1), the Conference shall give such opinion or make such representation as it may think fit. (6) In all matters referred under (2) and; (3), the decision of the Conference shall be fipal and binding. (7) In all matters connected with (4), the decision of the Conference shall be binding after confirmation by the Government of India and the Boards of Directors concerned, (8) With regard to (1), (3) and (4), the majority must consist of } of the total votes of those present, and with regard to (2) a bare majority shall rule the decision. (9) In voting on all questions put before the Conference, the voting power of each railway shall be calculated on the same basis as at the last Railway Conference or as altered from time to time. * Messrs. Tynne and Manson dissent from this exclusion and Messrs. Izat and Jacob dissent from through rates being excluded. † Qir. Tyono objocts to the words“ by mutual consent." A, W. 'U. POPE, A. IZAT, Secretary. Chairman. 2nd meeting of the Select Committee. THE SABIE MEMBERS ATTENDED. Resolution No. 2,- The Select Committee put fortyard this resolution for consideration and adoption to the Committee of the Conference in reference to Resolution No. 9 of the 2nd meeting of the Committee held on the 25th Feb. ruary 1902. A. TV. U, POPE, A, IZAT, Secretary. Chairinant. The 26th l'ebruary 1902, G, I. C.F.O.-No. 1163 P. 7, D.-10-S-1002.-800-T. T. Lue